Instigator / Pro
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1495
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Topic
#1018

The Democratic party is the party of fascism,intolerance and racism.

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
6
15
Better sources
6
10
Better legibility
4
5
Better conduct
0
5

After 5 votes and with 19 points ahead, the winner is...

Ramshutu
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Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
5
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
30,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
35
1764
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43
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@bsh1

Thank you!

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@David

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>Reported Vote: Virtuoso // Mod action: Removed

>Points Awarded: 4 points to Con for arguments

>Reason for Decision: Pro forfeited 3/5 rounds. Conduct to con as he did not forfeit.
Arguments also go to con. I consider any dropped arguments as concessions. Because pro forfeited 3/5 rounds while con forfeited none, Pro’s arguments should be considered dropped

>Reason for Mod Action: This RFD has proved a bit vexing to me to adjudicate. On the one hand, I agree that drops are concessions. On the other hand, allowing this vote to stand would mean that any forfeits could be used to automatically justify argument points, turning forfeits from a conduct issue into a conduct *and* argument issue. I think that when voters are asked to award argument points, there is an implicit understanding that they will actually evaluate the arguments. I am going to rule, then, that the argument points are insufficient. The voter must still check off each of the three criteria established for awarding argument points, which they do not (no survey of main points), and the voter cannot use the forfeit as a way to auto-weigh the arguments. The conduct points were clearly sufficient.
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Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments ✗ ✗ ✔ 3 points

100% of PRO's R1 was cut & pasted from Dinesh D'Souza's "Hillary's America." PRO added some transitional sentences in R2 to create the illusion of an original response to CON but actual arguments continued to be robbed from D'Souza. All of PRO's arguments must be discounted due to theft- leaving essentially forfeits for every round.

Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better sources ✗ ✗ ✔ 2 points

CON stole entirely from one source without attribution. PRO's sources were plentiful and quality ranged from good to excellent.

Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better spelling and grammar ✗ ✗ ✔ 1 point

CON stole his spelling and grammar from a professionally edited manuscript. PRO's spelling & grammar was both excellent and original.

Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better conduct ✗ ✗ ✔ 1 point

CON's theft of intellectual property is the least forgivable conduct this voter has seen on this site, even potentially exposing this site to potential (even if very unlikely) legal action. This voter recommends intercession by site moderators to warn CON regarding this theft and also monitor this user for future violation.

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@Pinkfreud08

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>Reported Vote: Pinkfreud08 // Mod action: Not Removed

>Reason for Mod Action: The vote was found to be sufficient per the site voting policy standards.

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@Dr.Franklin

It was before it was proven to be true.

Why can't researchers do the same with find which form of healthcare is more effective?

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@TheRealNihilist

Gravity isnt a theory,

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@Dr.Franklin

What is the difference between science testing a theory and researches checking which form of healthcare is more effective?

Last question didn't really go into the direction I wanted it to.

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@TheRealNihilist

opinion: Guns need to be banned

Fact:Guns stop 800k to 2 million crimes per year

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@Dr.Franklin

What is the difference between an opinion and fact?

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@TheRealNihilist

thats an opinion

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@Dr.Franklin

If public healthcare is more effective than private healthcare.

Is Bernie right then?

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@TheRealNihilist

When it comes to facts

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@Dr.Franklin

So people can be right?

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@TheRealNihilist

ok? and

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@Dr.Franklin

Then that scientist is right.

Do you have a problem with what I said?

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@TheRealNihilist

If its a FACT,then yes

@RationalMadman

It is about his problem with using the word right or wrong. Gravity is just the context I am using.

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@Dr.Franklin

You are not answering my question. I will ask it again:

Do you agree a scientist proving gravity as a fact is right?

no it is not. It is a 'fact' that if everything NASA tells us is true than gravity is extremely likely to be real but even then it's not a full fact.

@RationalMadman

Gravity being a fact is not important to this discussion.

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@TheRealNihilist

Yes its a fact

Gravity is not a fact, it is a theory contingent on other theories.

No it isn't, it's a theory that flat earth model would in no way at all require and could explain simply by something magical making denser objects fall through less dense objects with the 'acceleration rate' of the fall being relatively consistent purely due to air density being relatively consistent.

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@Dr.Franklin

Gravity is a fact found out by people.

Do you agree a scientist proving gravity as a fact is right?

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@TheRealNihilist

Gravity is a fact

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@Dr.Franklin

Can a scientist be right about gravity?

Last question was dumb I knew you were going to say that.

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@TheRealNihilist

Because I agree with their stances

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@Dr.Franklin

Deleted my message because I found a more relevant question.

If no-one is right then why do you support conservatism?

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@TheRealNihilist

No one

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@Dr.Franklin

Who is right then?

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@TheRealNihilist

There not wrong about anything, they just disagree with me

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@Dr.Franklin

I thought you would be addressing my vote. Guess not.

Do you have something that liberals are wrong about?

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@TheRealNihilist

I dont get it, you feel like liberals are the only one who's right

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@TheRealNihilist

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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@Ramshutu

Weird isn't it. DarthVader1 has the courage to make this debate in the first place but not have the courage to change his viewpoint if you were right by his perspective or carry on with his arguments. Does make me wonder if he is capable of changing his mind or can take being wrong. The least I know that he does not have the courage to carry on the debate. Everything else would be speculation.

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@DarthVader1

I’m seeing that you’re logging on, are you planning on continuing?

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@Ramshutu

I was going for more about covering all the points but if we actually go by what was relevant then I am sure it would be easier to vote on.

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@TheRealNihilist

There’s actually not many “main” arguments; hopefully the summary will help. But yeah. Geeeeez there’s a lot to unpack.

Feel sorry for anyone who is voting on this debate. Clear win for Ramshutu but the voter would have to read a lot to get a sufficient vote explained.

I don't think it is a shock that a young right winger would plagiarize. If they actually looked through thoroughly what the right supports they would realize how bad they are. With older right wingers they realize they would have to change what they say a bit to not be copying from someone else. Both the young and old right wingers follow the same bad positions but in a different way. It would be something to copy from someone who made a really good point but another thing entirely to copy a bad point. I hope everyone realizes which one the instigator lies under.

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@DarthVader1

What you just said, is mostly just a nonsensical rant that has no specifics, little detail, and appears (as with Dr.Franklin) to be mostly an attempt to try and suggest liberals are Fascists without actually going to the trouble of being able to specifically link them to or even specify any policies or positions that are inherently fascist.

Contrarily, this vitriolic angry bile that has basically been a staple of many on the right since Newt Gingrich and the culture wars is a reflection of what is most assuredly a fascist policy (and more broadly a generally authoritarian tactic) of pushing “the big lie”. The Republican right now is effectively the state party in 1984. Truth is irrelevant. Facts are irrelevant. Principles are irrelevant. The party is all.

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@oromagi

I see what you're doing. Because of what happened in your debate,you are now picking certain portions of my argument and accusing that whole arguments of my debates are plagiarized. I don't know what to say to that.

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@Ramshutu
@DarthVader1

Be advised that most of Pro's R1 argument is plagiarized word for word from Dinesh D'Souza's "Hillary's America"

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/dinesh-dsouza-the-secret-history-of-the-democratic-party

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@Ramshutu

Progressives did far more than emulate the style of fascism; they also adopted its ideas. Progressivism was in line with fascist social policy, which mainly involved killing off undesirables and excluding immigrants. Progressives also embraced fascist economic policy—instituting citizen entitlements and then
using those to justify state control over the private sector—which shaped the contours of the New Deal.

After World War II, fascism—to put it mildly—fell into bad repute. It became politically impossible in decent company to profess an ideology that took on the odor of the Holocaust. So progressives dumped many of the social and political features of fascism—no more compulsory sterilization or racist immigration policies—while retaining fascist economic policy. Progressives quickly got rid of the fascist label and, in a creative move, they publicly pretended that fascism was the very antithesis of what they had always been about.

Now they portrayed fascism as somehow a conservative, right-of-center phenomenon. To this day, without bothering to define what they mean, progressives routinely accuse conservatives of being “fascists.”

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@Ramshutu

Actually,When you think of fascism, often the images of Adolf Hitler come to mind; and along with it, Leftists accusations that fascism is a purely right-wing ideology. However, that could not be further from the truth.

One of the key components of both fascism and socialism is control and direction over the means of production, also known as central planning. Control of the economy by government bureaucrats in pursuit of some goal is carried out in the exact same manner by both socialists and fascists.

Not only do both have economic control, but they also have the same enemies: the bourgeoisie. Think Hitler was a friend of capitalism? Wrong!

In the speech of May 1, 2927, Hitler stated the following:

We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.

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@Ramshutu

"Being violent against people you don’t like, is indeed political violence (which fascists did), but not specifically fascist."

Yeah,and being Nazi means being a part of the National Socialist German Workers Party,so there are no Nazis in America today.

I'm sorry to say,I reached my character limit,so I could not address some arguments. I'll do that in the later rounds.

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@Dr.Franklin

Again, that’s not fascism.

Being violent against people you don’t like, is indeed political violence (which fascists did), but not specifically fascist.

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@Ramshutu

no, they are fascists banning free speech because you dont like it is fascism

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@Dr.Franklin

Again, not Fascists. I have an incredibly strong suspicion that you have no clue what Fascism actually is other than it’s bad, and you want to tag the left with it.

While Anti-Fa are a thuggish left wing group, that is not on itself enough for them to call them fascists: which requires a much more specific set of criteria. While the political violence often typified some fascist groups, they fail to match multiple other key aspects of fascism.

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@Ramshutu

they are fascists but so are the leftists antifa who are actually fascists when they shut down free speech.