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#1070

Border Wall

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After 3 votes and with 3 points ahead, the winner is...

TheRealNihilist
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Description

We will be arguing the effectiveness of the border wall. The person who makes the best arguments without sufficient rebuttals will win. I would like it to be based on that which is why there is only one criteria in this debate.

Border Wall: Proposed plan by Trump for a wall between the US and Mexico.

I am against the border wall if you wanted clarification on my position.

Pretty cowardly ogf you to need an advantage instead of a fair debate but since my position is objectively correct and I am a better debater, I guess I can accept and still be confident I will win.

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@Wylted

You are accepting the debate I made.
I ain't accepting your terms.

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@TheRealNihilist

How can anybody think I am awful LOL. Also I am also copy and pasting from previous debates. What is fair for you is fair for me. Resolution "The United States should build and mantain a border wall on it's southern border"

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@Wylted

Coming from an awful debater. This is an easy win. I'll challenge you. Don't p*ssy out and I'll put you in your place. Either way you are still losing.

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@TheRealNihilist

Your argument sucked, and I would have easily crushed you in a policy debate on whether we should vuild a border wall. I don't mind you copy and pasting what you wrote in previous debates either to save time. In fact I prefer ypu dp because the arguments are weak.

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@TheRealNihilist

ok

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@Dr.Franklin

I'll debate you when I want more wins to the detriment of me learning something important.

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@TheRealNihilist

ok suite yourself

@RationalMadman

>>Type1 is evolving, Sparrow is afloat.

Is that to me?

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@Dr.Franklin

I would debate you but since you use common sense as an argument it is very much doubtful it would be eventful. Entertaining but I don't care about having a laugh instead discussion that leads to new knowledge not different ways you can paint the same bad arguments. That can be considered new knowledge so I would like good new knowledge then.

OMG, are you kidding? The Border Wall is common sense

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@TheAtheist

Do you want to debate about anything then?

>>I don't hold any ideas dear, actually. Attaching emotion to an idea is always a bad thing to do.

This is not the case. When debating about an argument we should ought to value rationality but I am talking about ideas you hold dear outside rationality as in before you do make arguments for it or through rationality you have become more emotional about the results. So basically not emotional about the arguments but before and after the arguments.

Emotion is not bad. It is just bad about when used in replace of rational thought.

I guess attaching to your arguments can be a problem if you don't understand you are being emotional. If you understand you are you will be aware enough to avoid using that in your arguments while also using that as an incentive to carry on making rational arguments if you are capable that is.

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@GuitarSlinger

>>Food for thought (and I admit I didn't read the full report), but is there any explanation for the reported decline in undocumented immigrants? Is it increased resources (i.e. more agents, etc). If so, then perhaps a wall would lessen our dependence on "human" security measures along the border? in other words, perhaps if there is a wall, between points A and B, then that will mean won't necessarily need as many agents stationed between A and B?

I wouldn't know. I mainly made it to see if someone can make legitimate arguments for the border wall but guess not. A maybe reducing undocumented immigrants is not something I take seriously but if someone does make an argument I think I can find data how undocumented immigrants arrive into the country and find out either they are right or wrong. If they are right I would say it still doesn't make the border wall effective for the other reasons I laid out but if they are wrong then they would have to find another point.

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@TheRealNihilist

I don't hold any ideas dear, actually. Attaching emotion to an idea is always a bad thing to do.

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@TheRealNihilist

I don't hold Ben Shapiro dear. He's just a funny meme to me.

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@TheRealNihilist
@TheAtheist

Food for thought (and I admit I didn't read the full report), but is there any explanation for the reported decline in undocumented immigrants? Is it increased resources (i.e. more agents, etc). If so, then perhaps a wall would lessen our dependence on "human" security measures along the border? in other words, perhaps if there is a wall, between points A and B, then that will mean won't necessarily need as many agents stationed between A and B?

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@TheAtheist

Well at least you changed your mind.

Want to debate about other things that you hold dear?

Maybe Ben Shapiro?

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@TheRealNihilist

You did a really great job and convinced me!

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@oromagi

Thx

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@Dr.Franklin

=> So he freed slaves and traveled, ok???

disingenuous, at best.

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@TheRealNihilist

Do I have to? Is it not obvious

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@Dr.Franklin

You have neither prove it or stated how it is inherent.

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@TheRealNihilist

Globalsim will have different laws

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@Dr.Franklin

>>Evry country by basic laws, not globalism shitty laws

So globalism would have different laws than lets say the United States? That is not inherent to globalism because my hypothetical of what if the US constitution was adopted globally?

Do answer both questions.

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@TheRealNihilist

Evry country by basic laws, not globalism shitty laws

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@oromagi

So he freed slaves and traveled, ok???

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@Dr.Franklin

Globalism implies every country abides by the same laws. That verse says the same.

What do you have a problem with?

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@TheRealNihilist

No proof

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@oromagi

I don't really think he delved into what conservatives support as policies compared to what their Religious books states.

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@TheAtheist

Corrections:
so the burden is on the instigator to provide how Trump’s wall would be more effective.
so the burden is on the contender to provide how Trump’s wall would be more effective.

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@Dr.Franklin

just off the top of my head:

Freed Babylonian slaves fled to Palestine,
escaped Egyptian slaves fled to Palestine,
Jesus sought asylum in Egypt,
the Apostles traveled from India to England to proselytize the new faith.

The biblical God does not build any walls but he tears down a few.

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@TheAtheist

Okay.

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@TheRealNihilist

Okay, I’ll accept.

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@Dr.Franklin

>>Prove how that exodus qoute supports open bordrs

So no for open borders. How about globalism?

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@TheAtheist

You have 13 days so even if you wait until your opponent completes their arguments you will still have time to accept this debate.

Are you willing to debate this at that time?

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@TheRealNihilist

Prove how that exodus qoute supports open bordrs

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@TheRealNihilist

I’m for the wall but I don’t want to debate now. I have other debates and a lot of stuff to do. Maybe another one after this one.

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@Dr.Franklin

Exodus 12:49

If you don't think that is then how about globalism?

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@TheRealNihilist

Im a Christian, where does the Bible call for open borders

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@Dr.Franklin

Are you a Christian?

If so why are you not for open borders?

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@TheRealNihilist

no

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@Alec

0k

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@Dr.Franklin

A native born person according to the law, doesn't have to do anything to be here. A foreigner has to get paperwork done. My proposed immigration policy is in the below link:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EEO-QIEwB1LmUlH1haJh3n495fqmxXAQ1Phrlj3YKf0/edit

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@Dr.Franklin

Are you for open borders now?

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@Alec

they should be like immigrants, not bad illegal aliens though

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@Dr.Franklin

It says that foreigners should be treated just like Native born people. I'm not religious, so I don't have to believe this, but the Bible is for 100 percent open borders. There are about a dozen verses stating similar content in the Bible.

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@Alec

What does that prove

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@Dr.Franklin

Exodus 12:49.

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@Alec

How?

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@TheAtheist

I will be surprised if Brother D Thomas supports the wall. The Bible is left in immigration.