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Topic
#1080

Bestiality should not be illegal in all cases

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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

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After 1 vote and with 6 points ahead, the winner is...

PsychometricBrain
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Description

Bestiality - Sexual intercourse between a human and a non-human animal
--Structure--
R1. Pro's case; Con's Case
R2. Pro Rebuttal; Con Rebuttal
R3. Pro Rebuttal & Summary ; Con Rebuttal & Summary

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@BrotherDThomas

Didn't Jesus say, "Love your neighbor". You aren't doing a good job of that.

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@Alec
@Dr.Franklin

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Doc,

How far do you want to go in establishing that you are the most blatantly ignorant and dumbfounded fake Christian on DebateArt??????!

YOUR COMICAL AND INEPT QUOTE, AGAIN: "The Lord is also God.The trinity. duh.Brain cell lost from your comment"

Barring the fact that you could no more explain the Trinity Doctrine than you could spell correctly, ONCE AGAIN, a "title" as in GOD, is not the same as "JESUS" is a name, you blatant FOOL! How can you live with your ignorance in the 21st century? I feel sorry for your parents.

Allah is also GOD, Yahweh is also GOD in the Abrahamic faith that we share with Islam and Judaism, get it, FOOL? Therefore you have to be specific when talking about said gods regarding their religious beliefs, FOOL!

Please, give me a break from your ineptness, pleasssssssssse! Jesus and I can't take much more of your genetic stupidity!

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@BrotherDThomas

I'm not catholic, but Catholics despise sex abusing priests.

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@Alec

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Alec,

With all due respect, you are still not addressing the COVERUPS of pedophile priests for decades, even if it is 6 percent, which is 6% to many! Whether it is 6% of PEDOPHILE PRIESTS over the decades, it is the disgusting fact that these priests BRUTALLY RAPING INNOCENT SCREAMING CHILDREN were covered up by the Catholic Church at the expense of justice that you seek, get it? Huh?

AGAIN, WHO WANTS TO BE A CATHOLIC THAT SUPPORTS COVERING UP THE RAPE OF INNOCENT CHILDREN BY THE CHURCHES PEDOPHILE PRIESTS, RAISE YOUR HANDS!

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@BrotherDThomas

The Lord is also God.The trinity. duh.Brain cell lost from your comment

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@Alec
@Dr.Franklin

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Dr. Franklin,

You never cease to amaze us in your total and complete ignorance of the Judeo-Christian bible, fool!

YOUR EMBARRASSING QUOTE, AGAIN: "Third commandment-Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain
BrotherDtard saying omg meaning oh my god is a violation of the commandment."

Doc, anybody home today, obviously not, fool! The third commandment, one of 613 commandments, states with SPECIFICITY that thou shalt not take the Lord's NAME, I repeat, NAME in vain, understood? Huh? My term of "OMG" is NOT, I repeat, is NOT taking the Lords NAME in vain because "God" is a title, like "President," whereas the Lord's NAME is JESUS, get it? Huh? Maybe? Yes? How sad for you again.

You continue to show DebateArt in how utterly stupid and ignorant you are regarding Christianity, which in turn, gives us TRUE Christians a bad name, thankyouverymuch, FOOL!

I dare you to bring up Matthew 5:22, so I can add even more proverbial egg to your face in your further embarrassment here at DebateArt!

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@Alec

LOL

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@Dr.Franklin

Forgot to mention you. Sorry about that.

I'm going to pull an omar.

Do you have evidence BrotherDThomas?

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@BrotherDThomas

Im going to pull a omar

Thats a GroSs GeNerAlIzaTioN!!!!!!

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@Alec

thanks pulled a 180 on him

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@BrotherDThomas

so uh what debate do you have for me

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@Dr.Franklin

"UHHHHHHHHH BrotherDtard made a boo boo.
Third commandment-Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain
BrotherDtard saying omg meaning oh my god is a violation of the commandment.
WHOS UNGODLY AND SATANIC NOW!!!"

Nice one. I liked your comment.

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@BrotherDThomas

I think individual justice is better then, "one rotten apple spoils the bunch" especially since the rest of the apples are fine.

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@Alec
@GuitarSlinger

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Alec,

Totally understand the adage, "one apple spoils the bunch!" Get it?

In the case of horrific Catholic Priests BUGGERING innocent screaming children, where if this wasn't enough to make Jesus cringe in total disgust, then the despicable Catholic Church under the auspices of Jesus , covered up these atrocious acts for decades, where this is still a problem for this pagan church today as shown in the link below.

https://www.google.com/search?q=pedophile+priests&client=safari&rls=en

WHO WANT TO BE A CATHOLIC THAT SUPPORTS PEDOPHILE PRIESTS, RAISE YOUR HANDS!

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@BrotherDThomas

UHHHHHHHHH BrotherDtard made a boo boo.

Third commandment-Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain

BrotherDtard saying omg meaning oh my god is a violation of the commandment.

WHOS UNGODLY AND SATANIC NOW!!!

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@BrotherDThomas

"Jesus and I don't care if it was .0005 percent of the Catholic priests that BUGGERED LITTLE INNOCENT SCREAMING CHILDREN in the eye of Jesus as Yawweh God incarnate!!!"

I want the sex abusers punished, but I don't think you should blame all priests for the actions of a few.

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@Alec
@GuitarSlinger

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GuitarSlinger, in answer to your post #15:

What happened? Can't find a PEDOPHILE PRIEST to help you find the words of Jesus relative to him announcing that the Old Testament is to be followed even today? Huh? Then you have the audacity to question where my interpretation comes from, when it is a LITERAL word for all to simply understand?! You represent just another Catholic that can NOT defend their pagan faith, therefore, congratulations for being in the multitude of other Catholics that do the same.

Jesus and I have plenty of SOLID GROUND to stand upon as we make you the fake Christian fool in the eyes of Jesus! Look in how you RUN AWAY from simple questions, because deep down, you know that you cannot address them and remain intelligent looking in the aftermath!

YOUR TOTALLY EMBARRASSING STATEMENT: "Your interpretation of the Bible is different from mine, and both ours are different from the guy down the street, and all of our interpretations are different from the Lady walking door to door."

WTF?! If this is your response, then you propose to throw away our faith altogether, because who is truly right at the expense of Hell upon our demise? I read the LITERAL word of the inspired word of Jesus the Christ! Whereas, you read "into His inspired word" what you need to hear for whatever reason, understood? Simple Satanic math at your expense upon Judgment Day.

I understand that you have to be eerily SILENT to your despicable PEDOPHILE PRIEST problems that you support 24/7/365, whereas in this vein, you must be so proud in being a member of the Catholic Church that covered up your priests RAPING innocent children, yes? WWJD?

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Alec,

OMG! YOUR UNGODLY QUOTE: "Only 6% of priests are sex abusers."

Jesus and I don't care if it was .0005 percent of the Catholic priests that BUGGERED LITTLE INNOCENT SCREAMING CHILDREN in the eye of Jesus as Yawweh God incarnate!!! Remember, any faction that is sanctioned by Jesus is not to sin in His name by RAPING innocent scared children, especially in the Catholic rectory!

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@BrotherDThomas

"GuitarSlinger, your Catholic faith, along with its disgusting pedophile priests THAT BUGGERED INNOCENT SCREAMING CHILDREN"

Only 6% of priests are sex abusers.

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@BrotherDThomas

Eh, the words you quote seem to be your words, not Jesus'. lol. nice try though. Valiant effort.

You've yet to answer the question how you can be confident YOUR interpretation of the Bible is the correct interpretation. You haven't, because you can't. That's the bottom line. And because you have no ground to stand on, you hurl insults.

Your interpretation of the Bible is different from mine, and both ours are different from the guy down the street, and all of our interpretations are different from the Lady walking door to door.

SO the question remains-- who's interpretation is correct, and how can you be so sure?

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@Alec
@GuitarSlinger

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GuitarSlinger,

Your bible ignorance is without bounds! All Catholics seem to fall into this situation when they try in vain to spin doctor Jesus' TRUE Words away because they don’t fit their situation, or they are embarrassed about them. BLASPHEME!

TAKE NOTE: What Jesus’ inspired words said ONCE within the scriptures, He did not mean for his Creation to take in many different and contradicting ways. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS SIMPLE BIBLICAL PREMISE?! YES? You are on a very slippery slope when you proffer what “interpretation” of the bible anyone uses, therefore, hang on if you have the nerve to continue this embarrassing discussion for you!

YOUR SATANIC QUOTE: “As such, you can't reach passage or book of the Bible the same way (i.e. literally)

BLASPHEME, YOU MINION OF SATAN! How dare you state that Jesus’ word is not to be taken literally or as stated in any way? Where do you get the authority to state that what Jesus’ inspired words states, are not what He actually stated?! Are you kidding us? What non-christian Catholic decoder ring are you using to determine you are correct in your thinking? Please enlighten us for further laughter!

You are guilty of the following passage: “For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.” (2 Timothy 4: 3)

GuitarSlinger, your Catholic faith, along with its disgusting pedophile priests THAT BUGGERED INNOCENT SCREAMING CHILDREN, and then the coverups of same for decades, whereas if this alone weren’t enough for your despicable Catholic faith, then you purport that what Jesus’ inspired word actually says, is not what he actually said!!! You will certainly pay upon Judgment Day for sure, praise Jesus' revenge.

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@BrotherDThomas

You fail to understand a few key points:

1. The Bible is collection of books with the books written by various human authors, for different audiences at different points in history.
2. As such, you can't reach passage or book of the Bible the same way (i.e. literally). THat would be like reading MLK's LEtter from a Birmingham Jail and Aesop's Fables in exactly the same.
3. Thus, the onus is on you to show that your interpretation of the passages of the Bible are the correct interpretation.

Numbers 23:19 - your version of this passage is vastly different from what I read. What version are you using? Is this your own wording?
Proverbs 30: 5 - yep God's word is flawless. That doesn't necessarily mean/imply that a specific law written for the Jews some 2000+ years ago is still applied today.

Hebrews 4:13 - again what version ar eyou reading? I couldn't find anything near to the wording you use. Is this your own wording?
James 1:22 - um yea. This just means to don't pay lip service but also let your deeds show you are a Christian. You however make the leap of everything must be taken literally.

Matthew 4:4 - yep. in no way this mean the OT laws are applicable
Luke 11:28 - yep. in no way this mean the OT laws are applicable

Since you do like to take the bible literally, I'm assuming then you will agree that I am blessed. After all Jesus does say that those who are insulted on account of His name are blessed and that their reward will be great in Heaven (see Luke chapter 6). So thank you. THANK YOU! keep the insults a-comin'! :)

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@BrotherDThomas

Thanks Teacher!!!

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Dr. Franklin,

You DO NOT have any homework because the topic at hand you could no more address than walking on water in the summertime, understood?

You remain one of the most inept fake Christians that I have ever run across, congratulations!

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@Alec
@GuitarSlinger

Apparently we have homework now LOL

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@BrotherDThomas

The Law of Moses was changed with Jesus. Please know this

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@Alec
@GuitarSlinger

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GuitarSlinger,

Furthermore, I do not have the time to hold a bible school here at DebateArt for the totally inept fake Christians like you, where you don’t even know where Jesus proposes that the Old Testament writings are to be followed by all JEWISH Christians today! Seemingly, you don’t have the sense to feel embarrassed over you not knowing.

The irony is the fact that if I have to show you where Jesus purports the following of the the Old Testament, then this would only add even more egg upon your face in embarrassment! Therefore, I am cutting you some slack, where you can thank me later.

TO SAVE FACE, YOUR HOMEWORK TONIGHT IS THE FOLLOWING:

Address the aforementioned 5 verses above that specifically show that we TRUE Jewish Christians are to follow the Old Testament today.

Find by yourself, or if you need help from a pedophile priest, the passages that state with specificity, and without any Satanic apologetics or insidious hermeneutic spin doctoring, that Jesus states we’re to follow the Old Testament today in His Sermon on the Mount.

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@Alec
@GuitarSlinger
@Dr.Franklin

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In behalf of Jesus you struck a nerve! You state that you are a Hell Bound Catholic because of Jesus? What a poor lame excuse you use to be associated with such a disgusting pagan denomination called Catholicism. You could pick any of the other Denominations that DO NOT have hanging over them a blatant pedophile hierarchy problem with their subsequent coverups, or be independent, but yet you choose the pagan Catholic faith. What an embarrassing joke.

Before I continue to show you to be Satanic towards Jesus, you don’t get something for nothing, understood? Therefore, you failed to address the following godly passages that stipulate from JESUS HIMSELF that He DOES NOT CHANGE and ALL of His inspired words are FLAWLESS, therefore Jesus’ words in the Old Testament writings are to be followed today. Do you understand simple biblical logic 101?

"God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, THAT HE SHOULD CHANGE HIS MIND. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?" (Numbers 23:19

"EVERY WORD OF GOD IS FLAWLESS; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.“ (Proverbs 30:5)

In the name of Jesus, I will add 3 more DISTINCT verses that show the Old Testament is to be followed, of which, you are also too specifically address. Remember, Jesus is watching you, so do not run away from His direct word. (Hebrews 4:13)

“Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says.” (James 1:22)

Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.” (Matthew 4:4)

He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.” (Luke 11:28)

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@BrotherDThomas

Seems I struck a nerve lol. Sounds like your itching for a debate :)

eh, while horrific and evil, the homosexual problem within the priesthood is not the first scandal within the Church. Hell, some of Jesus' first disciples and apostles coudn't accept His teachings, they betrayed Him, abandoned Him, etc.To act as if the current horrific scandal is the first time Jesus' followers did terrible things is to actually be ignorant to the Church and it's history. I'm Catholic-- not because of the priests, the bishops or the Popes, but because of Jesus.

I am not, and did not re-write the Bible as you claim in your comment (nice try though). This conversation is actually getting quite fun. If you can do me this favor:

- what verse/passage of the Bible does Jesus specifically say in his sermon on the mount that the OT is to be followed at all times?
- while we are at it, what version of the Bible are you referencing, and how are you so sure your version is the authoritative version? A simple sentence like "I didn't say you stole the money" can have a multitude of interpretations based on what words you emphasize. Imagine how a group of books like the Bible can be misconstrued if folks do not interpret it correctly. The question for you is: how do YOU know that YOU are interpreting specific passages from the Bible correctly? I've had arguments where people claim to have read MLK's "Letter from a Birmingham Jail" and say things like "this is exactly what is meant when MLK said this". I'm like-- how do you know? Same applies to the Bible.
- You take one law from the OT and make the claim that applies to all men in all times for all eternity-- but no where in the Bible does the Bible ever say that. The Bible never says the laws are to be applied to everyone everywhere all the time. Saying it's "flawless" is not the same. Nice try though

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@BrotherDThomas

Actually your quote was in the old tsetement so it doesn't apply now. We dont kill people

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@Alec
@PsychometricBrain
@GuitarSlinger

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GuitarSlinger,

YOUR UNGODLY QUOTE: " ... just because God commanded certain laws to a certain people at a certain point in history doesn't necessarily mean that those laws still apply to people today ..."

With you being a Hell bound Catholic that supports pedophile priests and their eventful coverups, I didn't expect any other answer than what you have insidiously provided!

As a TRUE Christian I have to accept ALL of the Judeo-Christian bible, therefore in you trying to rewrite the Bible to save face, will not be tolerated in the name of Jesus.

Relative to the passages in question, Exodus 22:19 and Leviticus 20:15-16, where you Satanically state that they do not have to be followed today, then what part of this godly passage don't you understand? "God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, THAT HE SHOULD CHANGE HIS MIND. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?" (Numbers 23:19) GET IT?!

Since our Yahweh/Jesus God DOES NOT change His mind, then the aforementioned passages are to be followed today, period! Therefore, do you want to call our Jesus a LIAR to following said passages since He DOES NOT CHANGE HIS MIND? The people that he referred to in said passages were His Creation, the JEWS, and as you should be biblically aware, all Christians have to be JEWS to follow Jesus. 2+2=4.

Additionally, we have this passage to follow as well regarding that anyone that practices Bestiality should be put to death: "EVERY WORD OF GOD IS FLAWLESS; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.“ (Proverbs 30:5) EVERY WORD includes the Old Testament writings, understood?!

You have obviously never read Jesus' Sermon on the Mount that explicitly states that the Old Testament is to be followed at all times. I expected nothing less from a Catholic.

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https://www.bna.com/uploadedImages/BNA_V2/Legal/Knowledge_Center/News/Litigation_and_E-Discovery/bestiality1.png states that it is legal in some states.

Whether I'm a Christian or not is im-material to the debate. And actually, I do not like to argue points from a Christian/Biblical perspective, unless it's a theological discussion-- those arguments/points get nowhere with someone who an atheist. I can say "Well the Bible says this: ________" and the atheist will say "But I don't believe in your Bible, so there!"

Incidentally, the reference to the Mosaic/Levitica/Exodusl laws are sometimes mis-used. People refer to those specific laws, like the ones in Leviticus and Exodus, and seem to point and say "SEE! THOSE LAWS STILL APPLY!" Not necessarily, just because God commanded certain laws to a certain people at a certain point in history doesn't necessarily mean that those laws still apply to people today-- one must look at context, the rest of the Bible and, just as important, what the Church teaches.

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@PsychometricBrain
@GuitarSlinger

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Since "GuitarSlinger" is an assumed Christian, then he should adamantly bring forth that our Jewish God named Jesus stated that Bestiality is a sin and that anyone that performs this horrific act are to be MURDERED! Therefore, if the TRUE Christian faith was followed, then this problem would take care of itself in time.

“Whoever lies with an animal shall be put to death." (Exodus 22:19)

"If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. If a woman approaches any animal and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." (Leviticus 20:15-16)

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