Instigator / Pro
Points: 3

Anime Debate | Which anime fights are better?

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King_8
Debate details
Publication date
Last update
Category
TV
Time for argument
Two days
Voting system
Open voting
Voting period
One month
Point system
Winner selection
Rating mode
Rated
Characters per argument
10,000
Contender / Con
Points: 2
Description
Welcome to another awesome anime debate.
My opponent and I will be naming 2 anime fights per round. Whoever the voters think had the better fights will be the winner. The fights can be two equally matched people, a one-sided fight, a mental fight, anything under the sun as long as it's a fight. When sending links, please choose the shortened version of the fight if it happens to be a long fight. If you're unable to do that, then it's alright. Do the best you can. The same goes for me as well. But for shortened versions, it will be more efficient for voters. Perhaps edited fights.
***Voters***
Each fight you see, rate it 1 through 10 with me and Con and add up all the points in the end. Whoever has more points will be the winner. If our points are tied, you can choose "Tie" as the vote or choose either me or Con if you feel as though you had to edge one of us as winner that had better fights. If there is a fight that you know and already seen before, then you don't have to watch it. It's up to you.
Warning: May be spoilers if you haven't seen up to a certain point of a series.
Good luck to my opponent, have fun.
Round 1
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I chose these based on their pivotal changes to their respective plot's tones in their aftermaths.

Note: I did see both Netero vs Meruem and Rock Lee vs Gaara before your submissions.
Round 2
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I seen both of those you just put of course. I loved Light vs L's back & forth, it was a mental chess game! What was hilarious was their physical back and forth when Light punched L and L kicks him.


Both MC's reaching final form in their conclusive battles, then losing their powers as a result. Ichigo then regained them later on
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There are many of Goku's fights which I could've named (e.g. vs. Cell, Buu, Omega Shenron, Jiren, etc.) I chose this one because it was probably the most "purposeful" fight Goku ever had. Frieza wiped out and destroyed his home planet. Goku, at the time, was seen as the last true Saiyan after Vegeta's death. Not to mention, that scene when Frieza was drowning Goku and Goku had flashbacks of Vegeta, King Vegeta, and his Bardock was a nice touch. Not to mention, it was Goku's first (on screen) transformation into a "Super Saiya-jin."

Kirei Kotomine v Kiritsugu Emiya (Fate/Zero) What more needs to be said. This one was particularly compelling because it involved no dialogue; it was a battle of wits, and the monologue added with each move was great.


Note: I have seen Kurosaki Ichigo vs Aizen Sosuke and Gon Freecs vs Pitou before your submissions.
Round 3
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All Might vs All For One (My Hero Academia) I chose this because of it's being epic.


I chose this one because it's a fitting end to a series which focused on a character with dual personalities. Not to mention, it's the best duel of the series.
Round 4
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Gennosuke (Kouga Clan Leader) vs The Iga Clan (Basilisk) [Must sign-in to watch as it contains some partial nudity and gore.]

This is probably one of the best anime series (if not the best) focusing on realistic ninja clan politics. I won't spoil it, but it's an entire episode. I pinpointed its start so the link will begin with the scene I selected. It's about four and a half minutes, so you only have to watch it for that long. (Of course, feel free to watch the entire episode if you want.)

Thank you to my opponent. Thank you to the onlooking readers. Vote well.
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Goodbye K8!
#53
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--> @Ramshutu
Don't see the point in arguing so I'll just ask bsh1. If he says no then I'll wait until the next time this happens and I see it.
#52
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--> @bsh1
Hey!
My ask is perfectly reasonable and I would like an answer.
#51
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--> @TheRealNihilist
I understand what you’re saying; but we do not enforce rules debaters place in the debate for two specific issues I mentioned below.
#50
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--> @Ramshutu
Just moderate the rules put in place.
The actual scoring would be subjective but them working under the rules is not subjective because King_8 has clearly laid it out and if they don't understand that then you shouldn't be moderating anything because there is a chance that the MEEP wouldn't be understand by everyone so it is subjective.
Basically moderate based on the rules being followed not the actual vote in the boundaries of the rules put in place.
In this scenario a user must have a 1-10 rating for each fight. You don't moderate the rating you moderate if they followed it. Weird way of saying it but don't really know another way of saying it.
Some of this aren't my views. Just appealing to your way in order for you to understand what I am trying to say.
#49
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--> @TheRealNihilist
The reason competition style debates are no moderated is because the entire basis of the debate is inherently subjective and to be fair, it’s impossible to really moderate them appropriately.
As for rules; while moderation will take rules into account whilst assessing votes, (IE: if you award points vote as per the rules of the debate in a way that would be insufficient were it not for that rule, we won’t remove that vote), we don't enforce them.
The issue is that (a) we’re human, and interpreting potentially complex rules makes vote review so much harder; and (b) it sets a dangerous precedent whereby any debater can manufacture a set of unchallengeable rules that moderators must enforce despite potentially being unfair.
#48
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--> @Ramshutu
How about the choice of the instigator to make it moderated and have rules?
#47
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Note: this is a competition style debate and as such votes on this debate will not be moderated
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#46
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vote
Instigator
#45
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--> @Athias
Understood
Instigator
#44
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--> @King_8
I would make them a single week. Anime debates especially are more for the purposes of entertainment, and I don't think any prospective voter would want to wait an entire month to see the result of their vote, discouraging them from voting early. Furthermore, as you've suggested, the extended periods make the debate prone to ending up on the bottom of the pile especially in juxtaposition to other debates that have voting periods of just a single week. Furthermore, I believe that shortening the voting period would also attract more prospective opponents to any anime debate, which are scarce to begin with, you conceive.
Contender
#43
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--> @Athias
Well how long do you make your voting periods? If its one month, does it lessen the possibility of more people voting, because of newer debates happening and appearing above it?
Instigator
#42
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--> @whiteflame
@King_8:
"Athias, did you get my comment about the reason why I always make the voting period one month? Hopefully you understand."
Yes, I did. I think a month is overkill, but you started the debate, so it's your prerogative.
"Athias - I do get what you are saying but you must understand everyone has a different perception. It's not that serious. Please have good sportsmanship because the behavior being displayed from you does not show professionalism, it just shows pouting and saltiness. Knocks off respect points on your end. There's something I disagree with whiteflame as well but I'm not going to sit up here and go back and forth with him as it is his opinion. It's just an anime debate, not everyone has seen the same series as us, such as MHA, Death note, OPM or HxH. It can't be helped. If this was a serious debate about worldly issues and reality, then a back and forth this long would be warranted."
I don't disagree with the vote per se, I disagree with the reasoning. The reasoning for Basilisk and Basilisk alone stuck out like a sore thumb, so I addressed it. As I told whiteflame, a consistent score/vote is better than an inconsistent one, even if that meant the other series, including my own, would have gotten lower scores. And I take all debates seriously; if I simply intended to talk about this casually, then I would've suggested we move this discussion to the forums.
@whiteflame:
"For what it's worth, I don't think this is about whether Athias won or lost. I understand his frustration because I understand what he thinks I did and how it could have affected my perception of a particular scene. He saw aspects of my vote that gave him the impression that I applied a different standard to the Basilisk fight and wants me to own the perceived error, so this is more about standing on principle than standing in opposition to my vote."
Basically, yes.
Contender
#41
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--> @whiteflame
Yeah, fun fact I almost put Aizen vs Everyone in round 2, that was my original plan. But instead, I replaced it with Ichigo vs Aizen just to make a similarity with Ichigo and Gon reaching final forms. Anyways, hope this misunderstanding ends and a solution comes out of it.
Instigator
#40
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--> @Athias, @King_8
For what it's worth, I don't think this is about whether Athias won or lost. I understand his frustration because I understand what he thinks I did and how it could have affected my perception of a particular scene. He saw aspects of my vote that gave him the impression that I applied a different standard to the Basilisk fight and wants me to own the perceived error, so this is more about standing on principle than standing in opposition to my vote. I've said as much as I'm willing to say in defense of this decision. We may (and clearly do) disagree on the Aizen vs. Ichigo fight (though I will say that there are numerous fights I would have given huge points to from Bleach, including the one you mention about Aizen vs. everyone), though I can see why you love that particular fight, in the same way that I can see why Athias appreciates the fight from Basilisk.
#39
#3
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Winner 1 point
Reason:
NOOOOO bite MY shiny ass
#2
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Winner 1 point
Reason:
bite my shiny metal ass
#1
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Winner 1 point
Reason:
My ratings are all in the comments. By a score of 61 to 60 (close one), I favor Pro's choices. These are all good battles. I've seen all but one of these shows, and they all have exceptional battles.