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Topic
#1133

Israel is an illegal state

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Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
12
Better sources
6
8
Better legibility
4
4
Better conduct
1
4

After 4 votes and with 17 points ahead, the winner is...

Barney
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2
Time for argument
Twelve hours
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10,000
Voting period
One week
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Description

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is one of the world’s longest-running and most controversial conflicts. At its heart, it is a conflict between two self-determination movements — the Jewish Zionist project and the Palestinian nationalist project — that lay claim to the same territory. But it is so, so much more complicated than that, with seemingly every fact and historical detail small and large litigated by the two sides and their defenders.

And it isn't long before that hatred of Israel transcends into hatred of Jews. But I don't play the "Jew card." You're open to criticize me if you want. I won't hide. None of us are immune to honest inquiry and open dialogue, but before you do so, please recognize this: I, myself, criticize Israel often. But criticizing her policy (which Jew doesn't?), isn't the same as hoping for her demise. If Israel goes, the whole Middle East goes. Do you really think Israel is less democratic than the Arab states? Over in Gaza, they're throwing gays off their roofs. I don't know about you, but that doesn't sound Liberal to me.
As you see, these old anti-Semitic tropes are as old as fire. They've been around with us for a long time, longer than you think.

But this here, is for Type1 and all the rest of your clan of haters: do you really think you're a revolutionary? That you're showcasing truth and pulling off the tarp from academia which makes the masses blind? Well, let me tell ya, you're not. Anyway, the BDS got there before you, and believe me, they dream of Israel's destruction, under the guise of asking for a state of Arabs - what do you think that means? That the Jewish state just moves to Mars? No, we know what they want, you know what they want. Don't make the mistake in thinking that you're not a specimen to the laws of nature, that you're not prejudiced, or intolerant. We're not above history, the human condition is still here, and it's not just an academic exercise in which this generation studies. Anti-Semitism, my friend, is a relic of the past. But that doesn't mean we can fight it, and fight it, we will.

This is not a debate. . . it's a message. Already, I have stumbled upon an anti-Semite. Type1, that's what he goes by. Now, I know the world isn't perfect, and anti-Semitism is a disease without a cure and it's able to survive any weapon we use against it, so don't be fooled, it never died with the Shoah. Still, criticism which is unjust, which topples the government, and causes mass genocide, is no mere first amendment right to me. You cannot claim a right to free speech when you call out for the death of Jews, Blacks, and other minorities. Yes, fight fire with fire, but how do you fight off death threats? Do you make one yourself? No, you can't. At least no reasonable person would. But I'm not here to make solutions, I'm here to point out the hypocrisy of those individuals who believe, with an undying heart, that Israel, and the Jewish people, are made with certain ingredients, that of disloyalty, money greed, and Fascism. Of course, they're all false, but that last one sticks in your mind. Israel. . . Fascist? Really? Let's see what the definition of Fascism is. To be brief, it's the suppression of knowledge, of alternative voices. We know this to be true because of Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy. But Israel is none of those. I always find it amusing when the super-Left claim Israel to be an apartheid state. South Africa was an apartheid state, what about speaking to one of them, one who lived through that before you rant on Israel? Sounds like a good idea to me, one of objectivity, too. But did you catch that? The Right isn't alone in its anti-Semitism. They may be more approachable about it, more visible. but the Left can be just as noise, if not worse. Well, what makes me say this? They've found a way to hide it under. . . anti-colonialism, White privilege, and the rhetoric of human rights.

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@clawer

Thanks for the debate.

If you want to get good at this topic, try arguing from the other side. Once you learn why the other side has valid conviction, it's easy to find the holes in their case.

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@Club

Good boy

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@Dr.Franklin

I changed it

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@Club

no, its a conduct

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@Dr.Franklin

It's also a source point.

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@Club

If you say Plagirism, thats a conduct point

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@Ramshutu

Thanks for voting!

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@Barney

I'm currently in a debate on the two-state solution and that's one of my arguments. that the two-state solution is impractical because Palestinians refuse to accept the deal. Even when it's weighted heavily in their favor.

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@Patmos

Thanks for voting.

Something you might find interesting is that the Two-State Solution was tried way back in the 1940's, with the creation of Israel and Jordan. Prior to their attempted genocide in 1967, Jordan controlled the East Jerusalem.

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@Barney

Since Isreal is a country and not a state, for example not apart of the United States comprised of 50 states. That's what I meant, but your definition seems clear now. The title just confused me.

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@King_8

By what standard do you believe Israel is not a state?

Bare in mind, the usual definition for country is "a state or nation." https://www.dictionary.com/browse/country

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@Barney

Pro's title says Isreal is an illegal state

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@King_8

?

Isreal isnt a state