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China is a bigger threat to America than Russia

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Trent0405
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Round 1
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WW=world wide.

China is a bigger threat to America than Russia in the sense that China is a bigger threat to America's spot as the strongest nation in the world.


China is much wealthier than Russia. The 3 ways I typically see wealth measured in is nominal GDP, GDP PPP, and GDP per capita.

Nominal- China=13.6 trillion(2nd WW). Russia=1.6 trillion(11th WW).

PPP- China=25.3 trillion(1st WW). Russia=4 trillion(6th WW).

GDP per capita- China=9.8 thousand (88th WW) Russia=11.3 thousand (81st WW). Some semi autonomous regions are counted like Hong Kong, that's why both rank so low. 

To address GDP per capita, China's GDP per capita hasn't fallen since 1987. But, Russia's GDP per capita has fallen 7 thousand dollars since 2013. China is certainly on pace to pass the Russian GDP per capita.

I know you'll reference the Russian military which ranks second WW while China's ranks 3rd. But, this point becomes trivial if the other nation holds a larger population pool, and a larger economy, if necessary China could presumably field more tanks, boats, aircraft, and nuclear missiles If necessary because of it's larger economy. China also spends more than two times more on military defense than Russia, largely due to how large the Chinese economy is. Lastly, Russia's military strength is deceiving, if you look at Russia's tank numbers you see that Russia has 4 times the amount of tanks that America has. This is misleading because of all of the old and outdated tanks that are counted, America opted to scrap old tanks while Russia opted to stored them. Russia still holds tanks like the T-35/85 and the T-54. these tanks were early cold war and late WW2 era tanks.

China is also becoming more influential by the day. China's foreign investments have swayed countries away from America and toward China, we see this clearly in the way these nations vote in the UN. This has led to China being the third biggest lender WW while Russia ranks tenth. 

I also fail to see how a nations military is more important than a nations economy. None of the worlds 44 largest economies have fought each other since WW2, while financially nations panicking over their productivity, debt, and foreign financial influence. Buying goods on the market has become cheaper and easier, while ceasing them by force is becoming harder and harder. The best example of this is Russia itself, when Russia seized the Crimea, sanctions crippled their economy, leading to it falling by over one trillion dollars in two years. Over those same two years China's economy grew by about 1.5 trillion dollars, and it wasn't through conquering foreign entities, it was through creating jobs, and new technologies. 




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Round 2
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China's population is larger, this makes it's economy and military more scalable than Russia's.
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Round 3
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China is stronger, for all of the reasons listed above.
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Depends on the way you look at the scenario. China's economy and technology is continoulsy growing and will be feared soon
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--> @Ragnar
ohhhh, I thought something was fishy, he posted a troll vote on my Germany France debate. Thank you for letting me know. how would one go about contacting an admin, (looked it up online, couldn't find anything)
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--> @Udit, @Trent0405
Trent, Udit's behavior thus far is classic slave account.
If that is the case and it was a simple misunderstanding, talk things over with the admins. They can explain things and delete this debate.
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--> @Trent0405
I agree.
#6
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--> @Trent0405
Strong as in having a high economy? Or having a strong military?
#5
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and natural resources
#4
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I wish I could take this,If I did I would mostly argue about how Russia has better key allies
#3
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--> @WaterPhoenix
A threat means how much they challenge America's spot as the strongest nation in our world (in this case).
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--> @Trent0405
What is your definition of 'threat"?
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Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Winner 1 point
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Full Forfeit
#2
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Con FF the entire debate! That's poor conduct!!!
#1
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Winner 1 point
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Full forfeit