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Dr.Franklin
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Round 1
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This is not a debate. . . it's a message. Already, I have stumbled upon an anti-Semite. Type1, that's what he goes by. Now, I know the world isn't perfect, and anti-Semitism is a disease without a cure and it's able to survive any weapon we use against it, so don't be fooled, it never died with the Shoah. Still, criticism which is unjust, which topples the government, and causes mass genocide, is no mere first amendment right to me. You cannot claim a right to free speech when you call out for the death of Jews, Blacks, and other minorities. Yes, fight fire with fire, but how do you fight off death threats? Do you make one yourself? No, you can't. At least no reasonable person would. But I'm not here to make solutions, I'm here to point out the hypocrisy of those individuals who believe, with an undying heart, that Israel, and the Jewish people, are made with certain ingredients, that of disloyalty, money greed, and Fascism. Of course, they're all false, but that last one sticks in your mind. Israel. . . Fascist? Really? Let's see what the definition of Fascism is. To be brief, it's the suppression of knowledge, of alternative voices. We know this to be true because of Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy. But Israel is none of those. I always find it amusing when the super-Left claim Israel to be an apartheid state. South Africa was an apartheid state, what about speaking to one of them, one who lived through that before you rant on Israel? Sounds like a good idea to me, one of objectivity, too. But did you catch that? The Right isn't alone in its anti-Semitism. They may be more approachable about it, more visible. but the Left can be just as noise, if not worse. Well, what makes me say this? They've found a way to hide it under. . . anti-colonialism, White privilege, and the rhetoric of human rights,...And it isn't long before that hatred of Israel transcends into hatred of Jews. But I don't play the "Jew card." You're open to criticize me if you want. I won't hide. None of us are immune to honest inquiry and open dialogue, but before you do so, please recognize this: I, myself, criticize Israel often. But criticizing her policy (which Jew doesn't?), isn't the same as hoping for her demise. If Israel goes, the whole Middle East goes. Do you really think Israel is less democratic than the Arab states? Over in Gaza, they're throwing gays off their roofs. I don't know about you, but that doesn't sound Liberal to me.
As you see, these old anti-Semitic tropes are as old as fire. They've been around with us for a long time, longer than you think.
But this here, is for Type1 and all the rest of your clan of haters: do you really think you're a revolutionary? That you're showcasing truth and pulling off the tarp from academia which makes the masses blind? Well, let me tell ya, you're not. Anyway, the BDS got there before you, and believe me, they dream of Israel's destruction, under the guise of asking for a state of Arabs - what do you think that means? That the Jewish state just moves to Mars? No, we know what they want, you know what they want. Don't make the mistake in thinking that you're not a specimen to the laws of nature, that you're not prejudiced, or intolerant. We're not above history, the human condition is still here, and it's not just an academic exercise in which this generation studies. Anti-Semitism, my friend, is a relic of the past. But that doesn't mean we can fight it, and fight it, we will.

My opponent seems to be defending Israel a lot, everything else I agree,

1.Israel commits war crimes

Israeli forces injured 6,106 Palestinians with live ammunition{1},

UN investigators have accused Israeli soldiers of intentionally firing on civilians and said they may have committed war crimes in their lethal response to Palestinian demonstrations in Gaza.
The independent Commission of Inquiry, set up last year by the UN’s human rights council, said Israeli forces killed 189 people and shot more than 6,100 others with live ammunition near the fence that divides the two territories.
The panel said in a statement that it had found “reasonable grounds to believe that Israeli snipers shot at journalists, health workers, children and persons with disabilities, knowing they were clearly recognisable as such”.Thirty-five of those killed were children, three were clearly identifiable paramedics and two were clearly marked journalists, the report said.{2}
2.There are currently more than 65 Israeli laws that discriminate against Palestinian citizens in Israel and Palestinian residents of the occupied territories.>

Since 1967, nearly 15,000 Palestinians from East Jerusalem have had their residency rights revoked, according to the Interior Ministry.,The Ban on Family Unification - introduced as an emergency regulation in 2003 following the outbreak of the second Intifada in 2000 - prevents family unification when one spouse is an Israeli citizen and the other is a resident of the occupied territories.,According to the Absentees' Property Law (1950), Palestinian refugees expelled after November 29, 1947, are "absentees" and are denied any rights. Their land, houses/apartments, and bank accounts (movable and immovable property) were confiscated by the state.{3}
3.High Tensions>Israel has 150 to 300 nukes, but has lied and jailed journalists in the past for reporting this{4}, this is also a violation of-non nuclear middle east treaties.{5}



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--> @YitzGoldberg
They knew about the ship being American hours before the strike. American ships didn't look remotely like Egyptian ones.
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--> @bmdrocks21
Israel already gas dual-population state with over 20% Arabs, so making it an Arab state will do no good.
As far as the USS Liberty incident, all I can say is that you're grossly mistaken. I've done a lot of research into this myself, it was a mistake all the way through. There are no good arguments you can make to prove otherwise.
Instigator
#27
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--> @YitzGoldberg
If God is all you need to defend Israel, why are you thankful that other Americans don't think like me? Apparently you don't need us. What a joke! You'd have gotten stomped in the Yom Kippur War if we didn't bail you out. It is a parasitic relationship. We give billions and American blood. What do they give us? More and more people are becoming aware of Israel's flaws and are starting movements against the state. AIPAC tries to dox them, but eventually people will learn. I will never forget that they bombed a ship (the USS Liberty) they knew was ours during the Six Day War to attempt to drag us into the conflict.
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--> @bmdrocks21
If you ever thought Israel needed your help, and yours specifically, you’re mistaken. We can do without your support, G-d is all we need. Thankfully, the majority of Americans are in disagreement with you.
Instigator
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--> @YitzGoldberg
I'm not sure you know my position. My position is: screw both sides. Fund neither and leave them to their fate. I could go into the specifics of what Israel has done wrong, but I'm not on the side of the Middle East. Most Middle Eastern countries are run by terrorists and Israel is a leech. We fund their military and also die defending it. Screw both.
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--> @bmdrocks21
Former Israeli PM, Mithal al-Alusi, has twice visited Iraq, drawing protests from the Iraqi government in 2004 and 2008. Let me remind you that it was the Israeli government, and not the Iraqi one, which purposed peace and a sharing of military intelligence. During the 2010 Gaza War, in which Israel attempted to end the constant rocket fire by Hamas into civilian territory, guess who supported Hamas? Iraq. The same results came from the Israeli raid on civilian boats housing Palestinian weapons ready for war in what’s known as the Gaza Flotilla Raid. In 2012, Iraqi Prime Minister, Nouri al-Maliki, stopped all established diplomatic relations with Israel, while making peace with the rest of the Arab world. In 2017, Israel was the only world power to support the independence of Iraqi Kurdistan. In the Kirkuk Crisis, Iraqi forces overran their outposts and bases, but Israel helped prevent further setbacks via international lobbying.
But I guess none of this matters to bmdrocks21, because clearly I’m not telling the truth, clearly, I must be merely spamming him.
Instigator
#23
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--> @bmdrocks21
That’s your way of shutting me up. You know I merely had a lot to say, it wasn’t spamming, and you should be ashamed of yourself for accusing me of such. Now, what about this Iraqi thing? Ever since the ‘48 war (the two never signed a peace treaty), Israel has been threatened by Iraq. In the 6 Day War (which Israel undertook herself, mind you), Iraqi forces were sent in as back-up. During the Yom Kippur War, Iraqi forces aided Syria in counter-attacks, but again were pushed back, and Israel was just a mere 40 km from Damascus. During the villainous reign of Saddam Hussein, Israel sent bombers to destroy the Osirak nuclear reactor, this was in 1981, and Israel supported Iran in the Iran-Iraq War; Iraq was then developing bombs against Oran. In 1991, during the Gulf War, Iraq fires 42 Scud missiles at Israel, hoping to drag her into conflict, and disrupt the American-Arab coalition in the region. The US pressured Israel to stay out of war and we did. In 1992, Yitzhak Rabin organized Operation Bramble Bush, an assassination attempt on Hussein with Sayeret Matkal commandos. It failed. Three years later, he contacted the dictator to finally make peace after all these years (hoping Syria and Iran would follow by example), but was sadly assassinated himself on November 4, 1995. It is no secret that Hussein supported Palestinian guerrilla warfare, especially the second Palestinian intifada. During Operation Iraqi Freedom, Israel was not involved. John Kerry recollected that Benjamin Netanyahu (as a private citizen), supported the invasion. Former US Undersecretary of Defense, Douglas Feith, has attested that, “What you heard from the Israelis was not any kind of advocacy for war with Iraq... what you heard from Israeli officials in private discussions was that they were not really focused on Iraq... [t]hey were much more focused on Iran."
Since 2004, Iraq has refused any negotiations towards peace with Israel.
Instigator
#22
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--> @TheAtheist
I will proudly cry you a river
Contender
#21
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--> @YitzGoldberg
Plus, stop spamming Alec
#20
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--> @YitzGoldberg
So you're denying Israel's influence over our politics? Sure, I'd be fine with lessening NATO contributions, but NATO doesn't have us in Syria, potentially Iran, or previously Iraq. And if you want to pretend that Israel was against the Iraq invasion, I have a quick clip for you https://youtu.be/wHmhf_wrcrM
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--> @Alec
I hope for peace, I hope for a two-state solution, but if the Arabs reject it, war will come. If war comes, and if we merit the chance to win it, the Arabs will have to face an ultimatum: continue or fighting, or go home to their own lot.
Instigator
#18
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--> @bmdrocks21
Israel doesn't push Americans to fight her wars. Israel was against Bush going in in Iraq. Israel fought all by herself in the 6 Day War. If the US should stop giving aide to Israel, then stop NATO, stop everything.
Don't be mistaken, Israel hasn't survived because of US aide. Of course we're grateful for it, but the real reason is our trust in G-d, and if the US continues to aide her mighty hand and support, she too will be blessed. I believe what the Torah says, I have no reason to doubt it. Trust in G-d.
Instigator
#17
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--> @Alec
I think Golda Meir made a beautiful point when she said in '69, "How can we return the occupied territories? There is no one to return them to." If anyone's been "occupied," its been us... first the Assyrians, then the Babylonians, the Greeks, the Romans, Ottomans and the Brits. We belong here, in Israel. Don't tell us we're the occupies in our own home.
Instigator
#16
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--> @Alec
However, Arab population in the land - from the Crusades on to the twentieth century - has been a minor 2-300,000. Population experts aren't afraid to say it would have been stagnate had it not been for the massive influx of Jews in the land. Yes, we came in waves since 1882. But the Arabs also had their flood. Well, they wanted to enjoy a higher standard of living, as well as fight those Jews who made it possible. So, by 1948, the Arab population rose to 1.3 million. Alec, it doesn't take a genius to figure out why the Arabs have suffered so much, a British governor Sinai once said, "It is very difficult to make a case for the misery of the Arabs, if at the same time, their compatriots from adjoining states could not be kept from going in to share that misery."
So send your Arabs friends to Morocco, Syria and Egypt, they don't belong in our land, never have, and never will. But wait, you think you've got the ace in the hole, do ya? Return the land to the 1967 boarders. Okay, challenge accepted... the thing is, those borders aren't from 1967! To be truthful about it, the borders of the West Bank don't exist at all. They were created as an armistice line, a result of the '48 war between Israel and Jordan. See, that line is where the armies stood still. And in '67, that line served as a border between the warring nations, with Jordan having annexed the West Bank (a violation of international law). Remember that when Jordan took territory in '49, the Jews of the West Bank and East Jerusalem were ethnically cleansed, and synagogues, nothing left to speak of. Of course Jews were banned from their holy sites, such as the Western Wall. The so-called "Palestinians" were converted into Jordanian citizens. Therefore, Israel can't go back to the '67 borders! There was no Palestinian state then (or ever), and the land was promised by the British Mandate in '22 to be a territory for Jews.
Instigator
#15
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--> @Alec
The original Aramaic says that he was taken not to the city of G-d, but to Al-Aqsa, which merely means "the farthest place." The earliest of Islamic scholars interpreted that to mean the heavenly realm, the courtyard of Allah. But when the political might of Saladin rose up, that interpretation changed. He said it was Jerusalem, in part, to have claim to capturing the place from the Christians. The nutty thing about Muslims is that once they claim a piece of real-estate, its theirs, forever. Well, not technically. In 1924, the Jerusalem Supreme Islamic Council published a tourist pamphlet on the Temple Mount, recognizing the site the originally have been Solomon's Temple. It said the site was "beyond dispute... according to the universal belief." In 1927, there was a strong earthquake, and the Dome of the Rock was damaged, giving archaeologists the rare chance at excavating the site while under repair. One of the things they found were beams made of cider from Lebanon. This dated back to the 9th century BCE. In other words, Solomon's Temple. Also discovered was a mikveh (a ritual bath) from the Second Temple.
Even though we were here first, the Arabs claim that they were the longest. But is that true? First off, there has always been a minor Jewish settlement in Judah, so there was never a time in our history where no Jews were in the land. Just none. And the Samaritans were there when we left, and they've witness our return. They testify to the truth of whom the land really belongs too.
Instigator
#14
#4
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Winner 1 point
Reason:
Boo hoo, cry me a river.
#3
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Winner 1 point
Reason:
Forfeit.
#2
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Winner 1 point
Reason:
Bite my shiny metal butt
#1
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Winner 1 point
Reason:
FF