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Topic
#1167

Free Wins on DDO?

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
18
0
Better sources
12
2
Better legibility
6
1
Better conduct
6
0

After 6 votes and with 39 points ahead, the winner is...

Club
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
3
1687
rating
555
debates
68.11%
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Description

Yet another debate on DDO

Forfeited debates aren't moderated

Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments ✔ ✗ ✗ 3 points
Better sources ✔ ✗ ✗ 2 points
Better spelling and grammar ✔ ✗ ✗ 1 point
Better conduct ✔ ✗ ✗ 1 point
Reason: PRO FFs 75% of debate.
If repeated, I think this works better as an unrated debate topic.

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@RationalMadman

What is DA and FF

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@Club

I am here to ask everyone, who has an account in DDO? Make friends with me there! My account there is same as here

yeah, but mostly

"By debating backwardseden, you will get free wins via dsjpk5, even if you FF, dsjpk5 will vote for you.."

Not as much anymore:(, and forfeit glitch

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@Club

Sure RM said it doesn't matter so make sure you have additional arguments if that fails. I only thought of that at the top of my head.

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@TheRealNihilist

I used your argument, I need permission.

It doesn't matter of he uses that. I'm going to prove that free wins don't exist on ddo.

The entire concept of voting is a soft-enforced rule. What that means is that Juggle itself and the website's official documents such as terms of use etc all leave absolutely no official voting restrictions. This entails that you can (genuinely, not just pre-vote-mod) vote for someone who had their opponent is FF'ing every single Round if their debate was bad enough.

Both versions (DART and DDO) have loopholes. In DA the loopholes or is patched in a strange way. If you concede openly and your opponent FFs, the only way to vote correctly is that people should give you Conduct and not give either side the other points but most will tie it.

Anyway, since every element of DDO entails risk of a loss even in as extreme a scenario as FF (which is only ever guaranteed at the price of risking a ban for collusion and/or alt-abuse) then no free and n exists.

I will use game theory and poker terms like 'equity' to explain why the risk is a real thing at the point of accepting the debate and not an imaginary thing that is undone by how obviously bad an opponent seems.

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@Club

If you use my example as your only example RM can say that you cheated or something since my argument came before yours.

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@Club

"Free Wins on DDO?"

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@TheRealNihilist

getting some free wins on DART .

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@Club

Yes debate backwardseden. Wait for dsjpk5 to vote for you. Done.

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@TheRealNihilist

Ok,
ARE THERE FREE WINS ON DDO?
Me: Yes RM: No

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@TheRealNihilist

sorry that was my reckless cousin, he's been causing trouble a lot.

cndy unikurn galopang sunshone.

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@Club

Free win for RM then.

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@TheRealNihilist

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@Club

You didn't really explain what this debate was about.

Does RM know or are we supposed to wait until Round 2 to know what this debate is about.

@RM

"You can stay blocked for a week to remember this mistake."

LOL, I needed that laugh thanks!

You can stay blocked for a week to remember this mistake.

Mr. RM
I think you already saw the message but sorry. Blocked by accident.

Club blocked me for some reason. Interesting...

No, I'll use poker theory to win.

In that case I could take this but he'd just argue that FFs happened at all or something

@RM

It's back

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@oromagi

No I'm saying that there are free wins on DDO.

Forfeit glitch ended a while back. The adspam 'fixes' involved a change that fixed the forfeit glitch.

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@Club

so you are endorsing forfeits and tautology in online debating generally, or just DDO specificallly?

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@Ramshutu

Free Wins:
When someone either gives you a FF, a only one side can win debate, or a easily defended debate, for example (Trees are plants).

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@Club

It’s still no at all clear what you’re meaning by free wins

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@Club

"Are there free wins on DDO?"

No, no one votes and the forfeit glitch stops all debates

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@oromagi

I see most of the people are confused it's :
Are there free wins on DDO?

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@Club

Is there a verb for this resolution? Still not clear if DDO is subject or accident

Bump.

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@Club

But what exactly about free wins? What are they, what are you arguing for? What would I be arguing against?

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@Barney
@Ramshutu

Ram:
Free Wins
Ragnar:
Getting Free Wins on DART is good, I mean there's no possible way that someone can defend DDO unless they pull out some philosophical crap.

An objective waste of time, as it's DDO.

What is the debate about?