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# Life is created by God

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Page 50 of the book of nature says this

the philosopher beholding now,as the prophet beheld formerly,that the almighty architect has literally
adjusted everything by weight and measured the waters meted out the heavens accurately comprehended the dust of the earth, "weighed he mountains in scales and the hills in a balance

this is what god did with the solar system

The sun is 400 times bigger then the moon and 400 times farther away from the earth making them both the exact size from the viewpoint of earth. he measured this.
the Moon is 1/400th the size of the Sun, and at 1/400th its distance, enables educational perfect eclipses
the moon is 27.3 the size of the earth

And as staggering as it may seem, the circumference of the Moon is 27.322% that of the circumference of the Earth!

it takes the moon 27.3 days to orbit around the earth

It takes 27.322 days for the Moon to fully orbit the Earth. That means that 366 orbits of the Moon around the Earth take an absolutely even 10,000 days!

The number 27.322, which we have just observed is the number of days it takes the Moon to orbit the Earth is highly significant, both singly and in its multiplies  in the Earth, Moon, Sun relationship. For example, the Sun is exactly 109.288 times the size of the Earth - which is 4 X 27.322.

Even modern measuring systems were taken into account because the circumference of the Moon in kilometres is 10928.8 kilometres, which is 400 X 27.322. (And there is that '400' again, which you may recall is the number of times bigger the Sun is than the Moon.)

Gravitational and inertial mass are numerically exactly the same.

The Whopping Physics Coincidence: NewScientist reports about gravity and acceleration that, "a large chunk of modern physics is precariously balanced on a whopping coincidence" for, regarding gravitational and inertial mass, "these two masses are always numerically exactly the same. The consequences of this coincidence are profound..."

There are the same numbers of electrons to protons.

- there is the same number of electrons as protons to a standard deviation of one in ten to the thirty-seventh power, that is, 1 in 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (37 zeros)
- the 1-to-1 electron to proton ratio throughout the universe yields our electrically neutral universe

The guy in the article talks about how perfect this is.he uses an example.” so if we were to look at all the human beings on the earth and we found out that it was exactly 50 percent to 50 percent. Not to the nearest million or thousands but exactly one man for one woman. Out of 7 billion people in the world that would freak us all out.” We would be like who is counting us. But this is the case with protons and electrons exactly one proton for one electron. So who counted them out. It was God

stars rotate at the exact same rate as galaxy arms

“Thus, most stars located between spiral arms do not remain there for long, but would eventually be swept inside a spiral arm. Only at a certain precise distance from the galaxy's center, the "co-rotation radius," can a star remain in its place between two spiral arms, orbiting at precisely the same rate as the galaxy arms rotate around the core ( Mishurov, Y.N. and L. A. Zenina. 1999. Yes, the Sun is Located Near the Corotation Circle. Astronomy & Astrophysics 341: 81-85.). Why is it important that we are not in one of the spiral arms? First, our location gives us a view of the universe that is unobstructed by the debris and gases found in the spiral arms. “

everything i have said so far has been precise numbers

.The sun being 400 time bigger then the moon and 400 times farther away

the moon is 27.322 percent the size of the earth. it take the moon 27.322 days to orbit the earth

.There being the exact same number of protons as there are electrons

.Gravitational and inertial mass are numerically exactly the same.

.Stars rotate at the exact same rate as galaxy arms.

the sun and moon have been measured out.

The moon is 27.322% that of the circumference of the Earth!

It take the earth 27.322 days to orbit away from the earth.

What a huge coincidence I discovered this in the comments of a fellow
named Munatic

On this site. though Moonatic believe that the aliens created life. this still proves intelligent design

Moonatic • 7 years ago

"The moon is not a natural satellite. It's orbit is by intelligent design. The moon itself is clearly an intelligent design. There are no coincidences, just opportunities for the smart to be seperated from the stupid. It totally eclipses the sun...I mean...HELLO. The odds of that happening are flipping STUPIDLY improbable. Add to the fact the moon takes 27.3 days to orbit Earth and just so happens to be 27.3% the comparitive size of the earth!! YES, THAT'S RIGHT. READ IT AGAIN MORONS. I mean...wake up. The earth has 365/366 days to orbit the sun and yet it is 366% larger than our moon! I MEAN.....WTF"

He then goes on about aliens creating the universe but still. This proves life was created intelligently.

He is right

The moon itself is clearly an intelligent design. There are no coincidences, just opportunities for the smart to be seperated from the stupid. It totally eclipses the sun...I mean...HELLO. The odds of that happening are flipping STUPIDLY improbable. Add to the fact the moon takes 27.3 days to orbit Earth and just so happens to be 27.3% the comparitive size of the earth!! YES, THAT'S RIGHT. READ IT AGAIN MORONS
The the sun is 400 times bigger then the moon and is 400 times farther.

the moon and i quote
moon takes 27.3 days to orbit Earth and just so happens to be 27.3% the comparitive size of the earth!! YES, THAT'S RIGHT. READ IT AGAIN MORONS
.There being the exact same number of protons as there are electrons
he counted these out

.Gravitational and inertial mass are numerically exactly the same.

.Stars rotate at the exact same rate as galaxy arms.

etc

so will you be the stupid or the smart like moonatic says

just opportunities for the smart to be seperated from the stupid

Herbs

Since it takes a scientist years of thinking intelligence and knowledge to create drugs that heal people.The same kind of  thinking intelligence and knowledge would be needed to create medical herbs.

the fact that turmeric can go in the brain and repair damage done by schizophrenic medication is pure intelligence.

turmeric's antioxidants have been found to reverse the effects of damage caused by pharmaceuticals, particularly in the treatment of schizophrenia. Commonly-prescribed antipsychotics often cause involuntary muscle movements and severe behavioral changes

the apple when consumed feeds the good bacteria and not the bad. that is intelligence

sweet flag roots go up into the brain and fixes the part of your brain that deals with stuttering. that is intelligence

turmeric roots create new stem cells. that is intelligence.and revitalize neurons

are appendix attacks bad germs but is a safe house for good germs. that is intelligence

Now i do not believe that the apple is an intelligent life form.
We call are retarded people vegetables for Pete sake.
But i believe are Creator is intelligent
I believe god designed the apples to feed the good bacteria and not the bad.  Because he had knowledge that good bacteria is good and bad bacteria is bad

I believe it was god who designed sweet flag roots to go up into the brain and fix the part of the brain that deals with stuttering. He would have had to have knowledge of the brain in order to traverse it like that and would have to have knowledge on how to heal it in order to help the brain.

book of nature

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Yep. Nice stuff.

Although a  whole lot of rounding up and down and assumed precision.

And if it were all true? Given the vastness of the universe and the consequently almost unlimited opportunity and likelihood of the perfect conditions arising purely by chance anyway.

Nonetheless a God is still only a human guess or assumption, based on an archaic mythology.

Things are as they are and things do as they do and as amazing as things may seem to us human observers, we still lack the knowledge to know exactly why.

Or if there is actually a why to be answered.

Provide the God and prove the theory. It's no good just assuming that circumstantial evidence must prove a God.

And why would an omni-sensible God create bad bacteria?

And my opponents assumption that certain bacteria can be either good or bad, is just as human centred as the notion of a God is.

And of course, that's the reality as far as we know.

Life created God.
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Although a  whole lot of rounding up and down and assumed precision.

The 400 sun and moon can be seen to be inherently true. Given that they are both the exact same size from the viewpoint of earth.
though it is off by a couple inches because the moon is moving.

this article i found talks abut how the sun is 400 times larder then the moon and is 400 times farther away. it talks a great deal about the couple inches off because the person who wrote it is an atheist. but it admits the huge coincidence that it is

But as the aeons pass, and the moon gets ever farther from us, its apparent size in our sky will continue to grow smaller. Eventually, people on Earth won’t see total eclipses. All the solar eclipses will be annular, with the moon not quite big enough to cover the sun completely.
Bottom line: The sun’s diameter is about 400 times larger than that of the moon – and the sun is also about 400 times farther from Earth. So the sun and moon appear nearly the same size as seen from Earth. What are the odds?
Its a .org site so its spoken gospel

The real science radio people say that there is the exact same numbers of protons as there are electrons.

The same can be said of this.

Gravitational and inertial mass are numerically exactly the same.

This is exact. you can not round this. It is either the same rate or it is not

stars rotate at the exact same rate as galaxy arms

“Thus, most stars located between spiral arms do not remain there for long, but would eventually be swept inside a spiral arm. Only at a certain precise distance from the galaxy's center, the "co-rotation radius," can a star remain in its place between two spiral arms, orbiting at precisely the same rate as the galaxy arms rotate around the core ( Mishurov, Y.N. and L. A. Zenina. 1999. Yes, the Sun is Located Near the Corotation Circle. Astronomy & Astrophysics 341: 81-85.). Why is it important that we are not in one of the spiral arms? First, our location gives us a view of the universe that is unobstructed by the debris and gases found in the spiral arms

This is exact two

the moon is 27.322 percent the size of the earth. it take the moon 27.322 days to orbit the earth

Look these have been counted out measured out weighed out. the type of measurements one would do when building a house.

So when i say god did this with but with the solar system that is 100 percent correct

the philosopher beholding now,as the prophet beheld formerly,that the almighty architect has literally
adjusted everything by weight and measured the waters meted out the heavens accurately comprehended the dust of the earth, "weighed he mountains in scales and the hills in a balance
con said

Provide the God and prove the theory. It's no good just assuming that circumstantial evidence must prove a God.
These have been measured out and counted out i am not assuming anything. the chance of this happening by chance is 0.Its not happening

And why would an omni-sensible God create bad bacteria?

Because he wanted to test us. He wants to punish people. it would be boring otherwise. I mean he is god he could do hat he wants.

Nonetheless a God is still only a human guess or assumption, based on an archaic mythology.
The god of the bible is not human.

Things are as they are and things do as they do and as amazing as things may seem to us human observers, we still lack the knowledge to know exactly why.
Scientist are meausering stuff out and doing experiment there is more then just observations.

And my opponents assumption that certain bacteria can be either good or bad, is just as human centred as the notion of a God is.

Good bacteria fights off Bad bacteria. we have body parts like the appendix that help the good bacteria while driving off the bad bacteria. This means that the creator had  basic knowledge of stuff like good and evil and  then used that knowledge to design the body parts to utilize good bacteria and fight off bad bacteria.

definition of intelligence

intelligence
• n.
The capacity to acquire and apply knowledge.
• n.
The faculty of thought and reason.
• n.
Superior powers of mind. See Synonyms at mind.

God did one of the defention of applying knowledge when doing the appendix.

the creator had  basic knowledge of stuff like good and evil and  then used that knowledge to design the body parts to utilize good bacteria and fight off bad bacteria.

He did the applying knowledge in th quote abovre

apply knowledge.

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Not prepared to rewrite.
So will forfeit this Round.
Round 3
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Instigator
#11
--> @crossed
Look, would you rather listen to some site or an actual calculation using verified sources? 'Approximately 27' and 'Exactly 27.3' are two very different numbers. Like I said in my vote, all of those coincidences are a result of estimation. For example, before we talked about the number 400, and the number 389 turned out to be right. But someone could easily say that the number is "around 400" and he wouldn't be wrong. So the actual numbers differ, it's just that people round them up to prove their own points.
The reason why i am moving towards the
my right hand is 8 inches my left hand is exactly 8 inches god measured it out. Is so people don't argue with me with stuff like this.you can clearly see both your hands are exactly the same. Even i am amazed at this i thought it would be an centimeter off. i sure it can be slightly off but i believe the info is programmed in our DNA. so i believe the numbers can get corrupted
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#9
--> @TheAtheist
https://www.debateart.com/debates/1273/life-is-created-by-god
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#8
i have 5 debates already but bring it on. I will set it up
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#7
no the problem is that every site i go to either says 27.3
https://blog.world-mysteries.com/science/unbelievable-cosmic-coincidences/
and or approximately 27
he diameter of the Moon is 3,474 km. Now, let's compare this to the Earth. The diameter of the Earth is 12,742 km. This means that the Moon is approximately 27% the size of the Earth.
. and then some fellow comes along and just google those 2 numbers. does his own math. then gets nearly the exact same number and then say its wrong. look at it from my perspective i am obviously going to trust all the internet sites then the fellow with his own numbers.
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#6
--> @crossed
Would you like to have a debate on this topic? About whether life was created by God or not.
--> @crossed
Distance from the Earth to the Sun is 149,600,000 kilometers [1].
Distance from the Earth to the Moon is is 384,400 kilometers [2].
149.6 million divided by 384,400 equals 389. It's called mathematics, which you are apparently unable to do. Maybe next time try to perform the calculations yourself instead of just citing random sources? Calling my calculations "bad math" is not an argument.
Circumference of the Moon is 10,821 kilometers [3].
Circumference of Earth is 40,075 kilometers [4].
10,821 divided by 40,075 equals 0.27001, which is roughly 27 percent. This is far from 27.3, which you claim is the actual number. Next time, do the calculations yourself and don't trust pseudoscientic websites.
Your arbitrary crap can easily be disrpoved with Wikipedia and a calculator. Try again.
[1] - https://www.space.com/17081-how-far-is-earth-from-the-sun.html
[2] - https://www.space.com/18145-how-far-is-the-moon.html
[3] - https://www.space.com/18135-how-big-is-the-moon.html
[4] - https://www.space.com/17638-how-big-is-earth.html
--> @TheAtheist
find me a site that says the moon is 27.25 percent compared to the moon. along with the 383 number
Oragami is the only one with those numbers. he did his own Bad math. Every site on the internet mimics what i say. you will not find the numbers you need to back it up unless you go to Wikipedia like oragami and do your own math
https://blog.world-mysteries.com/science/unbelievable-cosmic-coincidences/
"The Moon has a radius of 1,079 miles and a volume is 5.2 billion cubic miles, which makes the Moon about 27.3%"
https://stargazingpro.com/how-big-is-the-moon-compared-to-earth/
(0.273 of Earths)
The Moon's polar circumference is 27.3% the size of the Earth's polar circumference. The Moon orbits the earth every 27.3 Earth days and turns 10920.8 km at the equator every 27.3 days.
https://moonnumerology.blogspot.com/
The number 27.322, which we have just observed is the number of days it takes the Moon to orbit the Earth is highly significant, both singly and in its multiplies in the Earth, Moon, Sun relationship. For example, the Sun is exactly 109.288 times the size of the Earth - which is 4 X 27.322.
" Even modern measuring systems were taken into account because the circumference of the Moon in kilometres is 10928.8 kilometres, which is 400 X 27.322. (And there is that '400' again, which you may recall is the number of times bigger the Sun is than the Moon.) "
https://www.whobuiltthemoon.com/so-far-so-good.html
Find me a site that says what your claiming. 4 sites
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#3
Sorry About the forfeit. I been busy and i forgot. Completely my fault. I had family come over And night shift work. did not realize it had been a week
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#2
--> @zedvictor4
Always write in a text editor.
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Winner 1 point
Reason:
Pro: This is not an endorsement of you being right, merely of the debate outcome being akin to full forfeiture.
Con: Always do your work in a text editor (Google Docs for example saves itself as you write, so no data loss even if your computer crashes), not on the webpage.
Were this a single round debate, or even a two round debate, I would give this to con. Even while both sides forfeited in R3, that round still happened; pro left off with his defenses (weak as they were) unchallenged, whereas con left off having dropped everything (not the same as a forfeit, it was more like a waived round, but still not ideal... the simple phrase 'still not proof' would have gone a long way).
So pro tried to prove God didit with a bunch of numbers (largely false numbers, but such did not come up in the debate arguments), and carbon based organisms having some success at eating carbon based plants. Con said it doesn't prove God and that bad things exist, but then effectively dropped out for R2 and R3.
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Winner 1 point
Reason:
Pro starts off the debate by pointing out some numerical similarities in the Universe. For example, he says that the Sun is 400 times bigger than the moon, and the Moon is 400 times closer to the Earth than the Sun. This is false, the Moon is actually only 389 times closer and not 400. Many of his other similarities are also false, such as the claim that the cirfumference of the Moon is 27.322% of the Earth's circumference. The actual number is 27.251%, not 27.322%. With a little rounding here and there, it's possible to twist the facts and present the universe as one massive set of coincidences. This, however, is not the case. His other "coincidences" are well-known scientific facts and have nothing to do with chance, such as the fact that the number of protons and number of electrons in the universe is the same.
Pro's second argument for intelligent design is the special healing abilities of some plants. "Some plants are good" does not mean "God did it". As Con points out in his first round argument, there are thousands of plants which have no healing abilities, and thousands more which are harmful to humans. Therefore, the argument that some plants can heal humans does not prove the existence of a supernatural being, so Pro's points quickly fall apart.
Con's argument is simple but precise. He points out that Pro's coincidences are just rounded up to sound incredible, and that there is no reason for an intelligent being to create harmful plants. Furthermore, he says that even if this all were true, this is still not proof of God, since a few coincidences and medicinal plants does not prove anything.
Pro essentially repeats the same things in his R2 argument. He repeats the claim that the Moon is 400 times closer to Earth than the Sun, which is false. He repeats another claim, which is also false. The equality of protons and neutrons exists not because "God counted them", but because protons are positive and electrons are negative. Simply repeating your arguments over and over is not proof of anything. Pro was already destroyed in the first round, and his second round argument did nothing to bring him back.
Finally, I would like to say that Pro's grammar and organizing is the WORST I HAVE SEEN IN MY LIFE. He never capitalized any words. He skips twenty lines between each paragraph. He arbitrarily uses bold and italic for no reason whatsoever. Pro's arguments are very hard to read and I assume he's just doing this to confuse his opponents. So, Pro wins because of better arguments and much better formating. R'amen.