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Topic
#1224

A flat minimum wage

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

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After not so many votes...

It's a tie!
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
5
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
15,000
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Pro
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1641
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Description

My position will actually be EITHER a tiered minimum wage or no minimum wage. As long as I prove to voters one is better than a flat minimum wage, that will suffice for my burden of proof. I actually hold the position either one would be better than flat minimum wages.

My opponent has the burden of proof that a flat minimum wage is ideal.

Definitions:
Flat minimum wage: compensation all employers, regardless of any factor, must give to their employees, regardless of any factors, set at a specific rate that the employer must meet or raise.

Debate format:

Round 1: We each will clearly state a thesis-like opening, like one would in an English paper. So, you, as my opponent, should state something like "I support a flat minimum wage because of X, Y and Z."(where x y and z are your real reasons of course). We will not present supporting evidence or logic for those reasons this round, that's reserved for later rounds. You may also define any terms you think will be necessary to define.
Round 2: Each of us will present our opening arguments where we present our evidence and logic for the reasons supporting our position that we stated in round 1.
Round 3: Each of us will rebut the opening arguments presented in round 2 of the other.
Round 4: Each of us will defend against the rebuttals in round 3.
Round 5: Concluding statements that, again, should be akin to English papers. We restate our position and argue why the pros and cons of our own position outweigh the pros and cons of the opponent's position. (So, stating why one's pros are better and why one can ignore the cons of one's position, for example, in a way that compares and contrasts with the opponent's pros and cons of their position.)

As my opponent, you accept these terms and the definition provided.

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@Cogent_Cognizer

However i must say, i dont see the merit in a minimum wafe relative to any factor aside from cost of living.

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@Nemiroff

Yeah, I did get that vibe that Speed was more arguing for a minimum wage in general and not specifically a flat one. I don't think he brought up any stats that were specific to flat minimum wages that couldn't apply to a tiered one.

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@Speedrace
@Cogent_Cognizer

Doesn't it seem that con was arguing for a minimum wage in general and not for a specifically flat minimum wage?

Does it make sense to anyone for rural west virginia and urban LA to have the same exact minimum wage despite many costs being vastly different?

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@Barney

Oh well have fun, and no you weren't

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@Speedrace

On vacation, and unsure if I was notified for this at all previously.

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@Barney
@Ramshutu

Why are y'all slackingggggg

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@Cogent_Cognizer

You've made me think about it, but the plan would need huge tweaks to make it completely work I think, it's not a horrible terrible idea but it could be better lol but I'm not sure it's currently sustainable

Also I really appreciate that disclaimer lol so thoughtful

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@Speedrace

Thanks man. I don't know if I actually changed your opinion on this. Would you say what I've argued for has made you rethink supporting a flat minimum wage?

DISCLAIMER: to any voters, if speed race admits to changing his opinion on this, make sure to keep that separate from your vote, as only what is written in the debate rounds formally should be counted.

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@Cogent_Cognizer

I'm praying for you dude, I hope everything goes well, too bad because I know you would've given a great argument :)

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@Speedrace

Yeah, though as I said, it may have turned out I wouldn't post at all. I usually like to post much more than I did, but yeah... as I said I have been having some pretty severe health issues lately. Figured a simple conclusion is better than me just forfeiting that round. I definitely wouldn't have had the time to provide the usual level of arguments I do lol.

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@Cogent_Cognizer

Lol I literally checked this like a few minutes ago and I figured you'd post soon because you always do lol

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@Gatorade

Shhhhhhh we all make mistakes sir lol

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@Speedrace

260 hours in a day lol

Apologies to Speedrace, somehow I missed that this one was ready to be debated. At least I caught in time before the time was up. I'll have my rebuttals up very soon.

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@GuitarSlinger

Ok lol

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@Speedrace

** Without a flat minimum wage, companies could pay absurdly low wages to workers for long hours, knowing that the impoverished, young adults, and immigrants will all eat them up regardless. The flat minimum wage makes it so that these people can actually afford to pay for their own expenses without having to work absurd hours simultaneously in terrible living conditions. **

This is false. THe current national minimum wage is 7.25. You imply that employers are out to pay employees absurdly low wages, or at least the lowest wage possible. If that were true, employers would probably be seeking to pay only waht to they could get away with, namely, the minimum wage. In other words, they would be paying $7.25 for their employees now.

But they dont'. Many jobs pay more then the minimum. If the employers were as money hungry as folkds make them out to be , most jobs would be paying the minimum. But that is not the case because the market wouldn't bear it. My company doesn't have any jobs that pay the minum. Most pay twice and many pay more than 3x the minumum. Why? Because the market dictates what we pay.

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@Speedrace

You sure you want to enter a second debate with me? You've yet to post for the acceptance round of the other you accepted with me.