Instigator / Pro
5
1395
rating
12
debates
4.17%
won
Topic
#1227

Civilization Was inspired by and created by God

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
6
Better sources
2
4
Better legibility
2
2
Better conduct
1
2

After 2 votes and with 9 points ahead, the winner is...

Barney
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
2
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
14
1810
rating
49
debates
100.0%
won
Description

Civilization did not develop slowly through small advancements created by human beings, but came on the scene fully-fledged practically overnight. Civilization was given to human beings, through inspiration, by God.

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@Dr.Franklin

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>Reported Vote: Dr.Franklin // Mod action: Removed

>Points Awarded: 1 point to con for S/G

>Reason for Decision: Spelling and Grammar
Pro made multiple mistakes
1."though" should be thought
2."the marshlands" should just be marshlands
3."San Hose" should be San Jose
Neither side convinced me

>Reason for Mod Action: To award S/G points, the voter must (1) give specific examples of S/G errors, (2) explain how these errors were excessive, and (3) compare each debaters' S/G.
S&G errors are considered excessive when they render arguments incoherent or incomprehensible. The voter fails to compare pro's s/g with con's. Moreover, he failed to explain why they rendered the argument incoherent or incomprehensible. Finally, the vote is removed as there still needs to be some explanation for the tied arguments.

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@oromagi

Thanks for that extremely detailed vote!

Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments ✗ ✗ ✔ 3 points
Better sources ✗ ✗ ✔ 2 points
Better spelling and grammar ✗ ✔ ✗ 1 point
Better conduct ✗ ✗ ✔ 1 point

Reason:PRO instigates a big, extraordinary claim refuting the present consensus view of Sumerian history and archeology. PRO’s R1 is little more than a statement of personal belief based on visions.

CON points out that no evidence has been presented nor any reason why one hypothetical supernatural explanation should be preferred to another.

PRO ignores CON, offers a series of quotes unconnected to thesis, and finishes with Sumerian mythology.

CON extends ignored arguments and points out that both quotes and Sumerian myths undermined PRO’s undefined, monotheistic God.

ARGUMENTS to CON since PRO presented scant evidence and never connected to thesis.

SOURCES to CON. PRO

+quotes an economist (non-Sumer expert) out of context, ignoring that the website refutes PRO’s case.

+links to a very generic list of scientists which in no way justifies claims that some scientists were inspired by unscientific sources.

+Adds a bunch of unconnected quotes, 3 without citation

However, PRO finishes with two good sources properly cited

CONDUCT to CON

PRO ignored CON’s counterargument entirely which is poor conduct and at heart, the opposite of debate.

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@Barney

R'amen brother.

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@TheAtheist

Thanks for voting. R'amen!

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@janesix

You're welcome.

If you ever want advice about how to strengthen an argument, let me know. I actually enjoy arguing both sides in theology debates.

Oh if you haven't already read it, there's some great advice in the style guide: https://tiny.cc/DebateArt
On page 6 I offer quick suggestions specifically for speculation debates like this one.

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@janesix

don't thank him, he utterly mocked you and didn't give a single shred of respect to your case.

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@Barney

Thank you for the debate, I appreciate you taking the time and effort to debate me. I am new at this.

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@Pinkfreud08

I mean God revealed knowledge to individuals about how to create civilization, through direct revelation in their minds.

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@janesix

What do you mean by inspired? Do you mean by God created civilization and exists?