The Moon is Designed
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The Moon is designed by an intelligent creator.
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- WHAT- designed the Moon
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- WHO- [God]
- WHAT- designed the Moon
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"The Moon's diameter is 1080 canonical miles, the sun's is 864000 canonical miles and the Earth's diameter is 7920 canonical miles.The deeper you delve into this, the more is revealed. "
"Why do the basic shapes and the heavenly bodies show the same canonical numbers, the same numbers that are seen in religious texts and customs all over the world, all the way back to the Neolithic and stone circles like Stonehenge?"
Because God designed it that way. Not meaningless, not random, not coincidence. The "coincidences" mount up quickly when it comes to the Moon, the whole solar system really. Entire books are written on the subject. Many scientists have said the Moon is "strange" or "weird".
50% forfeit is bad conduct.
I could read the debate but I don't want to in order to give the other votes.
Conduct to con for the forfeits.
I believe the Burden of proof is on pro here.
Eclipses: pro argues that eclipses and scale of the moon are perfect. Given the definition con does well to point out that if the goal were total eclipses, that the design falls far short - and could be greatly improved.
Fine tuned stability: pro argues that the axial stability of the moon is fine tuned; con points out the details are near impossible to know as we are dealing with a sample size of 1 and the details are all speculative.
The number 273: pro doesn’t know why God uses the number, but he does: con points out all the examples that are not 273, and argues that if God existed, is there any reason to believe that he would
Calculate in miles, and count in base 10 rather than in natural Constants and numbers.
Archaetypes. Pros argument here is hard to disentangle here, pro makes a series of claims that appear to be an appeal to numbers. Pro doesn’t really define what they are talking about, and it’s not particularly clear how pros argument supports their position.
At the core basis, Pros entire argument seems unwarranted and poorly justified, relying on mostly assertion that there are a number of coincidences; con did well to show both how nebulous these claims were, and how empty the larger thesis pro presents.
As a result of this, arguments go to con too.
Pro’s points were almost unconnected from debate subject for the most part - lacked proper justification. Also, 50% forfeit
1/2 FF
What pink said!
Pro ff half of the debate, that's poor conduct!
50% forfeit
Pro, this will help: https://tiny.cc/DebateArt
Interpreting the resolution:
The moon is not a naturally occurring object.
Gist:
I hate to say BoP, but pro never attempted to prove anything, merely point out that the moon is pretty neat.
1. Stability
Pro concedes this point (yes, them saying they would if they could not find a counter argument, and then forfeiting, I am giving them the benefit of doubt to their stated intentions).
2. Eclipses
That we can calculate when they’ll occur was pretty meaningless, and pro missed con’s counter that if eclipses were the goal they would be aligned so much better.
3. 237
Pro offered coincidence as proof, con explained that it’s not coincidence with sources, and pro said “I don’t know why.” ... The next point was just the logic of this one repeated.
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Arguments:
See above review of key points.
Sources:
Was not going to award this, but con found con using faulty numbers, which was verified within the links. This happened before contentions 3 and 4, which were both based on numbers, causing them to not be able to be taken seriously. Another example was the Waltham source, which itself disagreed with pro’s case for using it as evidence (as con identified with quotations from it).
Conduct:
Two rounds of forfeiture.
Janesix didn't quit this debate because she was wrong. She quit the debate because she realised how much of a coward one can be to win this debate as Con. All they need to do is say 'yeah but what if it isn't' over and over again and they win.
I encourage her to find truth and not always argue for it. Let the sheep be sheep sometimes, Jane, find truth and heal within yourself. :)
50% forfeit by Pro, this is a conduct loss and this vote highlights the true depiction of the debate in my eyes regarding arguments. Both sides used sources well. I can go into why I don't think Con deserves Arguments or Sources in the comments section with a vote mod if need be.
1/2 forfiet, neither side convicned me
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As Genesis 1:14 said, the Moon was used to clock time and it does, orbiting the Earth on one month and and the sun in a year
this is taken from here
" How long does it take the moon to obit the sun?
The same as Earth - Earth and Moon orbit the Sun together"
https://www.answers.com/Q/How_long_does_it_take_the_moon_to_obit_the_sun
it takes the moon 365 days to orbit the sun
https://www.answers.com/Q/How_long_does_it_take_for_the_moon_to_orbit_the_sun
it takes the earth 365 days to orbit the sun
https://www.reference.com/science/long-earth-complete-orbit-around-sun-f22ae7725aac138a
365 day is one year
The Moon is designed because the moon orbits in an exact MONTH.
Genesis 1:14 states that the moon and sun was built for clocking time
Mod note: RM's and Dr.Franklin's votes are fine.
Of course the moon is designed if you mean the round-earth model. That's because NASA & Co. Literally designed it when making their fairytale.
Guess what the sheep will say in return? "But what if it just was a new big severely improbable stupid accident and everything just went boom, bloom spin and zoom?"
They win the debate, you win at life.
********* so if you think we NEVER landed on the moon but think the Earth is still round,
I MEANT TO TYPE NEVER
That's great, I have no objections
HI Jane- I know we've debated a similar topic before. I think it was both of our first DART debates. I like the topic & have just been fielding some similar arguments in another debate. Any objection to me taking this one?
100% indeed. The fact we only ever see one side of it ever and that the shadow is rarely ever logically shaped against the shape of the sun (the waning and waxing of the moon are far too fast to be linked to the Earth blocking the sun more and less in that period of time), it all implies that the moon is a hologram meant to signify some kind of thing about the sun and fate, as opposed to being some physical sphere.
The moon landing was faked whether or not the Earth is round. Even if space is real, the evidence both in the videos themselves and NASA stuff since then all make the Earth in the moon photos not match up to the modern NASA photos of Earth whatsoever, there's so much to that so if you think we landed on the moon but think the Earth is still round, you're at least a decently enough minded human being who can think for themselves in my eyes.
Whatever is going on, the moon is certainly WEIRD. Not just in my opinion, but even "educated" scientists think so.
There have been 2 examples where eclipses occurred with the sun in the sky with the moon at the same time. These both have been explained away by NASA due to some utter nonsense logic.
One examples was extremely recent.
http://worldreality.yolasite.com/selenelion--the-impossible-eclipse.php
The fact we only ever see one side of the moon and it looks like the eye of Horus from one angle which is also the symbol of Illuminati all lead one to wonder what kind of idiots would think it's a spinning ball that magically happens to spin around itself at the identical speed to which it rotates around the Earth, LOL!
I know you're not a flat-earther (yet) but this is extremely accurate and I hope you make a strong case. You'll likely lose due to abusive voters who are brainwashed by NASA and Roscosmos but hopefully I'll finally see a decent flat-earth-side win.