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Jose Aldo should rank higher than Max Holloway if we were making a list of the best featherweights in MMA.

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Max Holloway isn't better than Jose Aldo. 

Legacy

Jose Aldo won the WEC championship as well as the UFC champion. He won the WEC championship against a young skilled Mike Brown. Right away he defended his title against the UFC hall of famer Urijah Faber. Aldo beat great fighters.

Jose has 7 title defenses while Max only has 2, I’d say were cheering too quickly by saying Max better than Jose. Also



But Max beat him

Max did beat Jose, but does that really prove he's better. If whoever beats the greatest, or anyone, makes you better than them, then you must concede the following.

Is Chris Weidman(14-4)  better than Anderson Silva(34-10). Anderson Silva had 10 title defenses, but Weidman only had 3.

Is Jose Caceres(14-8) better than the current welterweight champion Kamaru Usman(15-1), Jose Caceres has never held a UFC title, Kamaru just beat the former UFC welterweight champion Tyron Woodley.

Connor McGregor who only has a handful of fights at feather weight and never defended his featherweight title beat both Max and Jose, so is Connor greater than these two legends just because he beat them?

Who beat better opponents

The main reason we perceive Jose to have beat worse opponents is because Jose's rein took place at a time where featherweight was less popular.

these are Max's last ten unique wins and their records. "Unique wins" gets rid of multiple victories, for example Jose beat Frankie Edgar twice in his last ten fights, but I only counted 1 of those wins.

Frankie Edgar(23-7)

Brian Ortega(14-1)

Jose Aldo(28-5)

Anthony petis(22-8)

Ricardo Lamas(19-8)

Jeremy Stephens(28-16)

Charles Oliveira(27-8)

Cub Swanson(25-11)

Cole Miller(21-11)

Akira Corassani(12-6)

Wins-219 Loses-81

Now Here are Jose's last ten unique wins.

Renato Carneiro(13-3)

Jeremy Stephens(28-16)

Frankie Edgar(23-7)

Chad Mendes(18-5)

Ricardo Lamas(19-8)

Chan Sung Jun(15-5)

Kenny Florian(14-6)

Mark Hominick(20-12)

Manny Gamburyan(15-10)

Urijah Faber(35-10)

Wins-200 Loses-82


So slightly tilting toward Max, but neither records are padded nor is there a significant difference, I',m not trying to make an argument, just debunking a point I've heard a lot. 

In-fight stats

When it comes to Max's stats compared to Jose's stats.

Jose has a much better takedown defense, and a much better takedown average. Also, Jose takes less strikes per minute on average, Jose is better at dodging and blocking strikes as well.

Some stats where Max beats Jose are misleading. Max has landed the most significant strikes of all active fighters, this indicates how he lacks that 1 strike KO that 
Jose has. 1 example was his flying knee knockout of Chad Mendes in the first round. Jose has won 61% of his fights by KO/TKO, but Holloway has only won 48% by KO/TKO.


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As Pro admits, Max Holloway has landed the most significant strikes landed among all active fighters. But this fact alone doesn't even inform one of the best part about this. Holloway has 1937 SSL while Aldo only has 641 if you add the SSL up from Aldo's UFC fights (it ends at Hominick). That means that Holloway averages roughly 77 significant strikes in his average UFC fight, while Aldo only averages approximately 45 in his average UFC fight. 

Definition: "Significant strikes refer to all strikes at distance and power strikes in the clinch and on the ground. It does not include small, short strikes in the clinch and on the ground." 

Significant strikes are essential for winning any fight, as obviously, punching an opponent with minimal effort will not add up to favorable results. Holloway is the undisputed current leader in the category of SSL, while Aldo doesn't even appear in the top 10 of Pro's link. 

Dodging and blocking strikes are also crucial to winning any fight, but one has to consider this, why hasn't Max Holloway been knocked out? 

To not be knocked out in any of his 20 UFC fights is phenomenal, especially when you consider that Jose Aldo, an indubitably great fighter, has been knocked out 3 times. 

Pro concedes another point that gives Holloway the advantage, which is that he has been victorious against people with consistently better records than Aldo has in both of their last 10 unique wins. Even if the edge is small, this still shows that Max can avoid knockouts while on average facing fighters with higher records. Meanwhile, Aldo couldn't survive 13 seconds against McGregor in the octagon.

Aldo having a higher KO rate in his entire MMA career shouldn't mean that Aldo is a greater fighter, as you have to weigh in the difficulty he faces depending on the opponent. The UFC, whether independent of the WEC or merged with it, has more talented fighters than the WEC, or fighters that began to struggle as they transferred from the WEC to the UFC. Fighters like Brian Stann and Brandon Vera have had a more difficult time fighting in the UFC than in the WEC. Stann's UFC record after 5 WEC wins was 5-3 in the UFC, and Vera went 4-5 in the UFC.

Aldo has 4 KO/TKO's in his UFC career, which would mean he does so on 29% of UFC fights. Max has 7 KO/TKOS in his, which means he does so on 37% of UFC fights. Aldo does not KO/TKO considerably challenging opponents as consistently. 

Finally, the UFC title ranking system is flawed. Max has been shown to win most of his fights and had a 13 win-streak against mostly good fighters, and yet, he has had few opportunities at the championship. Typically, in a sport, championships are earned when a contestant must overtake several tough opponents in the format of playoffs. The UFC, on the other hand, was panned for putting Brock Lesnar in his first championship, mostly due to popularity that carried from his WWE career. Max, I will repeat, has consistently outdone those with records similar to or better than Jose's opponents, and even won against the same fighters that Jose fought. The fact of the matter, is that a fighter does not get stronger during a championship, so whether or not they were beaten for a title or not shouldn't matter. Max Holloway should be ranked higher for having beaten better/similar fighters.

Overall, Max has superior numbers in stats, won against tougher opponents and fought better against them, and UFC titles are flawed metrics for deciding greatness.







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You state how Max having landed more significant strikes. This shows a difference in style. Holloway does land a lot of significant strikes, but isn't it telling that Jose  KO/TKOs his opponent 13% more than Holloway

I do say Holloway has fought slightly harder opponents, but this is moot in my opinion, there are multiple factors that could account for this. Aldo fought a few legends like Kenny Florian(14-6) who doesn't have the best record, but he suffered 3 of his 6 loses to champions. The method I used is pretty good overall, but the disparity isn't statistically significant because of the numerous extraneous factors. If the cumulative wins of Jose's opponents was 150 for example, then you could say he's fought worse opponents.

Your point about the WEC is inaccurate in my opinion. Look at the talent that the WEC had. Guys like Cowboy Cerrone, the former UFC lightweight champion Anthony Pettis, and the former UFC bantamweight champion Dominick Cruz, many even went on to become hall of famers like Urijah Faber, a guy Jose beat.

Also, I'll say that I agree that titles shouldn't be everything. But, shouldn't  we count it for something, not only this but isn't defending that title 7 times, the most in the division's history important, legacy is a giant factor in determining how great a fighter is.

Finally, the UFC title ranking system is flawed. Max has been shown to win most of his fights and had a 13 win-streak against mostly good fighters, and yet, he has had few opportunities at the championship. Typically, in a sport, championships are earned when a contestant must overtake several tough opponents in the format of playoffs. The UFC, on the other hand, was panned for putting Brock Lesnar in his first championship, mostly due to popularity that carried from his WWE career. Max, I will repeat, has consistently outdone those with records similar to or better than Jose's opponents, and even won against the same fighters that Jose fought. The fact of the matter, is that a fighter does not get stronger during a championship, so whether or not they were beaten for a title or not shouldn't matter. Max Holloway should be ranked higher for having beaten better/similar fighters.

For one, Brock Lesnar was a good fighter, probably because of steroids, but he did beat great fighters like Shane Carwin and Frank Mir, I know it's not important but I just wanted to bring that up. You kind of hurt your point by saying a champion doesn't get better the longer they have there championship, couldn't that explain Aldo losing to a guy like McGregor or Holloway, defending a UFC title 7 times is very difficult. Only 4 other fighters in UFC history have gotten 7 or more title defences.

In summary, Aldo has a far more extensive resume, and hasn't beaten worse opponents, to claim Holloway beating Aldo makes him greater is inaccurate as you then have to say a guy like Weidman is better than Anderson Silva, or Usman is worse than Jose Caceres. 

I hope you've found this debate productive.
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Also since the description doesn't specify rounds, I will post more arguments on the next round due to the character limit being sort of small.
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I almost forgot about this lol. Was up at night for a little bit.
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Possible kritik that Max is already ranked higher, since he is champion.
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Glad to see you debate!
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Like always an appeal to voters. If the voters don't agree with your position you lost.
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I think the subjectivity of the superior metrics will be at play here.
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Depends on the metric.
Wins as a champion Aldo.
Best wins I think would go to Max.
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Ah, why not? I will take this.
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