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Jeffrey Epstein is still alive

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Round 1
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Jefferey Epstein was under 24hour surveillance watch. But they supposedly lost the footage of him killing himself




info wars said there were going to stage a fake suicide of Jeffery Epstein hours before Jeffery Einstein committed suicide
just like how he said 911 was going to happen before it happened


And people are saying the photos of his death are fake

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Round 2
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I will say to the voters that the burden is on my opponent to prove that Jeffrey Epstein is alive. I have no burden of proof because the standing position is that he is dead.

Jefferey Epstein was under 24hour surveillance watch. But they supposedly lost the footage of him killing himself
How does this prove that he is alive? It is a non-sequitur.

info wars said there were going to stage a fake suicide of Jeffery Epstein hours before Jeffery Einstein committed suicide
Again, how is this proof? This might show that perhaps InfoWars was involved in the killing of Jeffrey Epstein, but it does nothing to show that he is alive.

And people are saying the photos of his death are fake
No, a tiny YouTube channel with 295 subscribers that is trying to gain viewership is saying that the photos of his death are fake. This is not even close to proof in the slightest.
Round 3
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Jefferey Epstein was under 24hour surveillance watch. But they supposedly lost the footage of him killing himself
How does this prove that he is alive? It is a non-sequitur.

It proves that he probably did not commit suicide. That he is alive or was murdered.anyway. The fact that they would lie about not having footage of him just shows the true narrative is not true

info wars said there were going to stage a fake suicide of Jeffery Epstein hours before Jeffery Einstein committed suicide
Again, how is this proof? This might show that perhaps InfoWars was involved in the killing of Jeffrey Epstein, but it does nothing to show that he is alive.
Why would info wars murder Jeffery Epstein right before he exposes all the other pedo bears Alex has been exposing for years. The reason why Info war said Jeffery Epstein was going to commit a fake suicide. is because they did a fake suicide. He said this hours before they did the sucide


No, a tiny YouTube channel with 295 subscribers that is trying to gain viewership is saying that the photos of his death are fake. This is not even close to proof in the slightest.
The gurney photos everyone was talking about it. its not one photo.

Published:
It proves that he probably did not commit suicide. That he is alive or was murdered.anyway. The fact that they would lie about not having footage of him just shows the true narrative is not true
It doesn't prove that, but even if it did, it does nothing to show that he is alive. You have no proof that they lied about the footage.

Why would info wars murder Jeffery Epstein right before he exposes all the other pedo bears Alex has been exposing for years. The reason why Info war said Jeffery Epstein was going to commit a fake suicide. is because they did a fake suicide. He said this hours before they did the sucide
Where is the proof that they did a fake suicide? There is none. Them saying they would is purely circumstantial, and if they really did stage a fake one, why didn't they release proof of it so they could get credibility?

The gurney photos everyone was talking about it. its not one photo.
"Everyone" was not talking about this, only a few conspiracy theorists were. And if the photos were faked, why would they make such careless and obvious mistakes? It makes no sense.

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Again just conjecture no hard fact
#14
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finally a conspiracy theory worth a debate, i suspected this myself but face it there is zero evidence
#13
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A few facts.
People who associated with epstein include, clinton, trump, a british royal, many other powerful and wealthy people.
Some claim bill clinton is guilty of murder because he associated with them, wouldnt that mean all of the people who associated with him are equally guilty?
Claiming it must be the person you disagree with politically, even tho multiple suspects have the same connection is the most pathetic example of being a partisan hack.
#12
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https://youtu.be/oVnuFY20st0?t=40
#11
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--> @crossed
Absolutely
#10
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--> @Dr.Franklin
So dam shady.
Instigator
#9
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--> @crossed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_VpaUGdy7U
I like AMTV, good source, here's one from infowars that had to move because of censorship
#8
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--> @crossed
Yup, how conveinatn, Clinton!,admit it
#7
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--> @Dr.Franklin
They were not they say they lost the footage. How convenient
Instigator
#6
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--> @Dr.Franklin
https://youtu.be/5_CJX5Wfm18
Instigator
#5
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--> @crossed
Why were the cameras malfuntioning the night of the suicide?
#4
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--> @Dr.Franklin
I know how many times did bill Clinton ride on his plane 27 times to his private island nicknamed orgy island. He was under 24 hours suicide watch. They conveniently lost the footage of him killing himself. I was bouncing between the Clinton killing him and him being on vacation on an island. i concluded that it i more likely that he is on another island given that the autopsy examiner was the same person who did president jfk martin Luther king and OJ Simpson wife death cases and like ten other of the most shady murders ever. If they faking the autopsy then he must be alive
But it is entirely possible that he committed suicide by shooting himself 15 times in the back of the head.
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#3
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Clinton raped women and kills people
#2
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Clinton murdered him, get it right
#1
#3
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Winner 1 point
Reason:
Pros argument is completely unwarranted; and as explained was a non sequitor. Even if I accept as true each of the facts that pro brought - they would not mean that Epstein is Alive.
Pro needs to do far more than he did; to present even basic evidence that the suicide was indeed fake, and that the best explanation of the available evidence was that he wasn’t killed at all, and is actually alive. Pro catastrophically fails to do this.
#2
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Winner 1 point
Reason:
A non-sequitur instead of a case. Pro never once offers evidence to even imply of the guy being alive, he merely points to the death being suspicious. Con points this out, thus wins.
#1
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Winner 1 point
Reason:
S and G- tie
Conduct-Pro wins because his opponent forfeited round 1. 1 point Pro.
Sources-tie
Arguments- I am to believe the BOP is on Pro as Con stated. Pro gave many arguments that don't necessarily assist his point, his 24 hour surveillance point, or the staged suicide point, Pro doesn't meet the BOP, all he proves is that the cameras footage was lost and that they may have staged a suicide, Pro fails to show how these things prove Epstein is alive, as well as there being . Con convinced me entirely through his rebuttals of these points and how they don't prove pro's point at all. both of these points were won by Con
There is also the fake photos point. I, like the other two points I think Con edged this one, he proved how if they were fake, mistakes we've seen wouldn't have been there as it would be too obvious. This, with the other two points make me believe Con won, with the Bop on Pro, he would have to make solid offensive arguments, Con mitigated all of these with better defensive arguments. Con wins Arguments, 3 points to Con
Con wins 3-1.
Pro didn't do bad in this debate, he just failed to meet the BOP.