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Life is created by God
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After 2 votes and with 7 points ahead, the winner is...
TheAtheist
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Round 1
Pro
#1
Your arm span is equal to your height.
This is because god measured you out. So your arm span would be the same as your height.
This can be off some times. Old people shrink and we have a insane chemical diet. But a good 90 percent of the time this is true.
If i am 4 foot 9 tall then my arm span will be 4 foot 9. If i am 5 foot 11 then my arm span will be 5 foot 11. If i am 6.3 then my arm span is 6 foot 3. This can get off sometimes maybe i am 4 foot 7 and my arms span ends up at 4 foot 6. but i believe that he programmed these measurements in our DNA. I believe that he programmed that your arm span must equal your height. but sometimes that data is corrupted by a mutation and our genetic information in our DNA screws up. honestly i expected to see a cm off on most stuff. but all the symmetry numbers are all the exact same at least for me. which is amazing i had trouble finding even a cm off
The average human arm span of a woman is 5 feet 4 inches while the average arm span of a man is 5 feet 9 inches. In typical humans, the arm span is equal to the height; therefore, the average arm span is also roughly the same as the average height, with males generally having longer arm spans than females.
"yes, your arm span is about the same as your height. If you hold your arms straight out from your sides, the distance from the fingertips of one hand to the fingertips of the other is about how tall you are. Some slight variations exist, though."
My right arm is 30 inches long.
My left arm is exactly the same size at 30 inches.
god measured my arms out so they would be the exact same size
My right leg is 36 inches long
My left leg is exactly 36 inches long
god measured my legs out so they would both be the exact same size
My right foot is 10 inches long
My left foot is 10 inches long
God measured my foot out so they would be exactly the same
My right ear is 3 inches long
My left ear is 3 inches long
My hands are exactly the same size. just put them together. but the exact size is 6 1/2
My middle finger on my right hand is 4 inches my left middle finger is 4 inches
My thumb on right hand is 2 inches my left thumb is 2 inches.
My 4 finger on right hand is 3/1/2 my 4th finger on my left hand is 3/12.
god measured it out this is constant with all fingers
god measured them out
God measured out my ears so they would be the same
My left eye is 1 inch big
My right eye is 1 inch big
God measured my eyes out
My top lips are 3 inches
My bottom lips are 3 inches
God measured this out
My right nose hole is the exact same size as my left nose hole. Because god measured it.
my right ear hole is the exact same size as my left ear hole. This is because god measured it
look in a mirror this is true
my
nose is in exact middle of my face. if you measure from my right of my
face it takes 2 inches to reach my nose. If you measure from the left
side of my face it takes 2 inches to reach my nose
god measured out
My cat named Cheetos first leg is 6 inches long
my cats named Cheetos 2nd leg is 6 inches long
3rd leg is 6 inches
4 leg is 6 inches
Both her eyes are exactly the same size this is because god measured them out.
Both here ears are exactly the same. This is because god measured them out.
god measured Cheeto out
Cheeto and my dog Secret tails are exactly placed between there Butts.
My nose is placed in the middle of my eyes. It makes a triangle. the nose is evenly between each eye
I Don't want to be crude but the butt crack is exactly in the middle. both cheeks are the same size
god measured this stuff out
There noses are both placed on there snouts.
Cheetos right nose hole is the exact size of here left nose holes.
secrets nose holes are exactly the same size.
There ears are the same size.
A deer i saw had antlers the left antler was the exact same size as his right antler. This is because god measured them out.
Deer legs were all the same size from viewpoint.
My foot has 5 toes my hands have 5 fingers god counted them out
My right big toe is the same size as my left big toe.
it
looks like the eyes sockets on the human skull are exactly the same
size. The right one is the same as the left one. That's because god
measured them
I can only guess by looking i do not have dead human skulls around the house
Don't
have beavers here. But it seems the right beaver tooth is the exact
same size as the left one. This is because god measured it
right birds wing seems to be exactly the same size as left bird wing. can not catch one to see
All eight pedals on this flower seems to be exactly the same size.
It probably is but do not have any flowers near by. Just looking at
flower pictures. I wonder if all the pines on a pine tree are the same.
The right wing of a monarch butterfly is the same as the left side this is because god measured it out.
Moon sizes
It take the earth 365 days to orbit the sun
It takes the moon 365 days to orbit the sun
How long does it take the moon to obit the sun?
The same as Earth - Earth and Moon orbit the Sun together"
This is because god measured these out.
These sources say the moon is 27.3 and it take the moon 27.3 to orbit the earth. Prove these wrong
the sun is 400 times bigger then the moon and about 400 times farther away.
This can be seen to be inherently true because the sun and moon are both in the exact same same.
The moon has moved a couple cm and the moon is moving very slowly. So now it is off by a very very small amount. This atheist article covers it. a billion years for it to move from the root i am an to the door so around a couple foot. don't quote me on that i don't remember the number.It is clear that it was the same and has moved a couple inches.
But as the aeons pass, and the moon gets ever farther from us, its apparent size in our sky will continue to grow smaller. Eventually, people on Earth won’t see total eclipses. All the solar eclipses will be annular, with the moon not quite big enough to cover the sun completely.Bottom line: The sun’s diameter is about 400 times larger than that of the moon – and the sun is also about 400 times farther from Earth. So the sun and moon appear nearly the same size as seen from Earth. What are the odds?
Con
#2
My opponent's argument can be summarized using the following syllogism:
P1: The Universe has some similar measurements
C: God is responsible for creating the Universe.
But wait, you'll say. That argument not a syllogism, that's a non sequitur! And you would be right. The conclusion does not rationally follow from the premise, therefore my opponent's argument in its current state is a logical fallacy. "The Universe has some similar measurements" does not conclude that "God did it". In order for my opponent's argument to be valid, it needs to follow this syllogism:
P1: A Universe with similar measurements must have been created by God.
P2: Our Universe has similar measurements.
C: God is responsible for creating the Universe.
Now my opponent's argument is valid, meaning that the conclusion follows from the premise. However, just because an argument is valid doesn't mean it is sound, or factually correct. In order for an argument to be sound, the premises must be factually correct. My opponent has yet to prove that a Universe with similar measurements must have been created by God. Simply demonstrating that our Universe has similar measurements is not enough. So, over to Pro, and let's wait for him to prove Premise One of my second syllogism.
Round 2
Pro
#3
Why would evolution care if my right nose hole is the exact same size as my left nose hole. If you look in the mirror both your nose holes are probably the same size. my cats nose holes are exactly the same size
Why would evolution care about making my feat exactly the same size. Could evolution even make anything exactly the same size.
Why would evolution care about making my cats right ear exactly the same size as his left ear. It is hard to even find one animal to where there right ear is different from the left. because there both exactly the same because god measured them out. I know i can not find one.
Everything is precise measured that means god. because because evolution would be random..
Arm length has nothing to do with how tall you are besides it would be weird if we were not proportionate. Evolution would not make my arm span 6 foot long and 2 inches because i am 6 foot 2 inches tall. god would though.
here is a photo of some one who is perfectly measured there arm span is 5 foot and 7 inches and he is 5 foot and 7 inches tall. He is that way because god measured him out.
This guy is the majority this is how we all should be. Because god has programmed these precise measurements in our DNA.so if a guy is 5 foot 11 then his arm length is 5 foot 11 if someone is 4 10 then his arm span is 4 foot 10. a toddler is 2 foot 9 so the toddlers arm span is 2 foot 9. This can get off people shrink in size when they hit there 70. and there are other cases but this is the majority and clearly how we were suppose to be.
Con
#4
My opponent has completely ignored my point about the validity of his argument. He has yet to demonstrate how a Universe with some similar measurements must have been created by God. Voters, please consider this when voting on the winner of the debate.
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=REBUTTALS=
Why would evolution care if my right nose hole is the exact same size as my left nose hole. If you look in the mirror both your nose holes are probably the same size. my cats nose holes are exactly the same size
I don't know why you brought up evolution here, but I'll counter your claims anyway. Evolution cannot care whether your nose is the same size or whether it is assymetrical. Evolution is a concept and an observable process in nature, not an animate object.
Also, there have been cases of people being born with eleven fingers, or one eye, or assymetrical ears. If God measured everything out, why would these imbalances happen?
Why would evolution care about making my cats right ear exactly the same size as his left ear. It is hard to even find one animal to where there right ear is different from the left. because there both exactly the same because god measured them out. I know i can not find one.
Evolution cannot "make" anything the same size. Evolution is a process. Evolution is tiny genetic mutations that give some members of a species natural advantages, which leads to those natural advantages becoming common in the members of a species. Slowly, evolution can transform one different species over another. Cats have ears of the same size because animals are symmetrical, that way it is easier for the body to perform its work. Animals that are assymetrical have a lower chance of surviving, and so by now they have all died out.
Everything is precise measured that means god.
No! It does not! And you have failed to demonstrate how it does. First, you must explain why a universe with precise measurements must have been created by God. And you have not done that, as of yet.
Round 3
Pro
#5
I measured my feet my big toe and hands out. They are exactly the same. I
suspect that if most of you do the same experiment you would most likely
come to the same conclusion. God measured us out.or to be more exact he
measured Adam and eve out and we inherited the numbers from Adam .now
the numbers can be screwed a bit when being passed down via the
DNA. But that does not change the fact that he measured us. My measuring stick journey took longer then I suspected. So I was not able to measure everything.
but it comes down to the same thing in the end. I got some measurements from 2
siblings but they did not like doing it. so it is mostly me.
Our hands are measured. My right hand is exactly the same as left. I suspect you will most likely find the same if you tried.
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Foot measurement's.
big toe sizes
Hand sizes
I will get more it takes time and I need someone to hold the camera which Is hard to find someone to do.
How i think this went down
Do you know how your
hands are exactly the same size. Put them together examine each finger.
Now look at you feet there exactly the same. This is because God
measured you out. Or to be more exact he measured Adam and eve out
perfectly And you have only inherited these perfect measurements. For
example my hands are not even a cm off there exactly the same. same with
my feet there exactly the same . my ears are both exactly the same God
measured them out.
God measured Adam and eve
perfectly. Adam and eve had children And the Information/Measurements
in the DNA code were past onto the children. It is DNA it is possible
that measurements can get mutated. But generally most of your body parts
have been measured precisely. My nose holes are exactly the same.
If you ever come across a
butterfly there right wings are exactly the same as there left
butterfly. exactly the same not a cm off. This is because god measured
the first butterfly out and these precise measurements were past down
through them via there DNA.
if you say i bet i can
find one that is not precise. And i would agree with you the information
in our DNA can get mutated.But you will have to catch 100 butterfly
till you find one that is off.
precise hormone clocks
Espanol
deer hormone clocks release hormone between October through January.
This is called deer mating season. These clock's have been precisely
dialed they release hormones during October every year.
The precise thing is that they release hormones at the same time each year. same time being October through January each year. This is espanol deer other deer can be different.
Examples for better understanding.
let
say I precisely dial my alarm clock to go off at 7.30.but the power
goes out and my alarm does not go off at 7.30. did I still precisely
dial my alarm clock. I absolutely did. The fact that the power went off
and my precise dialing was screwed up and the alarm did not go off at 7:30. Does not change the fact that I
precisely dialed it to go off at 7:30.
lets
say god precisely dialed the deer's hormone clocks to go off in October.
But let say a bunch of environment toxins effect the clock and its
clock gets messed up. Did god not precisely dialed the clock. no he did
precisely dialed it but the toxins screwed it up.
"Deer have a fairly long mating season that covers from October through January. This period of time is called the rut"
Same
with the measurements above. God measured stuff out. But through
chemicals filled diet. These measurements can be slightly off. Now the
perfect ratio between measured out stuff can be different. Hands and
feet are almost always exactly the same. I would say a good 99 percent
of the time.
God counted stuff out. these are precise numbers
Humans have 2 eyes 2 ears
dogs have 2 eyes 2 ears
cats have 2 eyes 2 ears
horses have 2 eyes 2 ears
cows have 2 eyes 2 ears
weasels have 2 eyes 2 ears
goes on for about 90 percent of all animals
same with 4 legs and 2 legs and 2 arms
These
precise measurements that have been passed down from Adam and eve they can
be corrupted. like a mutation in the DNA can cause 3 arms. but that does
not change the fact that it is preset to give you 2 arms. He counted
them out and set the number to be two. that set number can be corrupted.
that does not change the fact that the number was set that way. 5 hands 5 feet those are precise numbers,
roundness
. the moon is round and the sun is round.. this is because god measured them out. not earth because respecting RM
Rebuttal
No! It does not! And you have failed to demonstrate how it does. First, you must explain why a universe with precise measurements must have been created by God. And you have not done that, as of yet.
if evolution created life. life would be random. if things are measured it is god
My opponent has yet to prove that a Universe with similar measurements must have been created by God. Simply demonstrating that our Universe has similar measurements is not enough. So, over to Pro, and let's wait for him to prove Premise One of my second syllogism.
this is how we got our precise measurements
Do you know how your
hands are exactly the same size. Put them together examine each finger.
Now look at you feet there exactly the same. This is because God
measured you out. Or to be more exact he measured Adam and eve out
perfectly And you have only inherited these perfect measurements. For
example my hands are not even a cm off there exactly the same. same with
my feet there exactly the same . my ears are both exactly the same God
measured them out.
God measured Adam and eve
perfectly. Adam and eve had children And the Information/Measurements
in the DNA code were past onto the children. It is DNA it is possible
that measurements can get mutated. But generally most of your body parts
have been measured precisely. My nose holes are exactly the same.
If you ever come across a
butterfly there right wings are exactly the same as there left
butterfly. exactly the same not a cm off. This is because god measured
the first butterfly out and these precise measurements were past down
through them via there DNA.
if you say i bet i can
find one that is not precise. And i would agree with you the information
in our DNA can get mutated.But you will have to catch 100 butterfly
till you find one that is off.
The Universe has some similar measurements" does not conclude that "God did it". In order for my opponent's argument to be valid, it needs to follow this syllogism:
Measurements is when someone takes a big ruler stick and measure something out.what being could have done that besides god. He measured sticked the first human and these perfect measurements have been passed down
Also, there have been cases of people being born with eleven fingers, or one eye, or assymetrical ears. If God measured everything out, why would these imbalances happen?
Because god measured Adam and eve and there perfect measurement were passed down via there DNA. so must of us have perfect measurements when some of us the information/measurements in the DNA was mutated and was not passed on correctly.
you must explain why a universe with precise measurements must have been created by God. And you have not done that, as of yet.
I believe that god measured Adam and eve to be perfectly symmetrical and we inherited those perfect measurements via the DNA.
Evolution cannot "make" anything the same size. Evolution is a process
agree
Evolution is tiny genetic mutations that give some members of a species natural advantages, which leads to those natural advantages becoming common in the members of a species. Slowly, evolution can transform one different species over another. Cats have ears of the same size because animals are symmetrical, that way it is easier for the body to perform its work. Animals that are assymetrical have a lower chance of surviving, and so by now they have all died out.
I know what evolution is. Why would a species die out because one ear is bigger then the other. Most symmetrical numbers would not cause an entire species to die off, Why would have symmetrical number make it easier to evolve.
Where are these bones of animals that died off because there were not symmetrical.
Con
#6
PRO has failed to prove how similar measurements in nature must mean that life was created by God. Simply repeating the same measurements over and over is not an argument. No matter how many coincidences they are, PRO still has to demonstrate why those coincidences bring us to the conclusion that God exists. And so far, he has not done that.
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"if evolution created life. life would be random. if things are measured it is god"
Evolution is not responsible for creating life, it is a process by which animals evolve. PRO says that he knows what evolution is, yet fails to understand even its most basic concepts. "If things are measured it is god" is both a false statement and a fallacy. PRO has not yet proven how the things he claims to be measured are measured, and even if he would prove that they are, the existence of God still does not logically follow from that premise. This argument is a non sequitur, it does not follow.
"Do you know how your hands are exactly the same size. Put them together examine each finger. Now look at you feet there exactly the same. This is because God measured you out.
PRO needs to prove that God measured me out. So far, he has failed to do so. Just saying "God measured you out" is not an argument, it is preaching. And that is not what this website was made for.
"Measurements is when someone takes a big ruler stick and measure something out.what being could have done that besides god. He measured sticked the first human and these perfect measurements have been passed down"
More preaching with no evidence whatsoever to support it. I said "measurements" because we, humans, measured out those things. That's how we know the distance between the Moon and the Earth, not because God told us those measurements in the past. PRO has yet to demonstrate why something which can be measured must have been made by an intelligent creator.
"Because god measured Adam and eve and there perfect measurement were passed down via there DNA. so must of us have perfect measurements when some of us the information/measurements in the DNA was mutated and was not passed on correctly."
Why would God create DNA that can mutate, and why would God create humans that cannot pass down DNA correctly? Doesn't this claim only disprove intelligent design? Why would God's creations have so many flaws if he was actually intelligent?
"I believe that god measured Adam and eve to be perfectly symmetrical and we inherited those perfect measurements via the DNA."
What you believe does not matter. What matters is your evidence for your belief. Provide evidence that shows that a universe with similar measurements must have been created by God.
"I know what evolution is. Why would a species die out because one ear is bigger then the other. Most symmetrical numbers would not cause an entire species to die off, Why would have symmetrical number make it easier to evolve."
If you knew what evolution is, you wouldn't follow that sentence with strawman questions like "Why would have symmetrical number make it easier to evolve".
"Where are these bones of animals that died off because there were not symmetrical."
The Bailosaurus Isis was a whale with an assymetrical skull that died out millions of years ago [1].
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Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
Pro decided to offer a copy/pasted non-sequitur instead of a valid argument, when this was raised as a point he did some more copy/pasting instead of responding to the the holes in his logic; which is both awful conduct and failing to attempt to win arguments. Plus with the twisted skull evidence pro specifically asked for, this debate ended on an implied concession from him (pro inferred that if he's wrong that evidence would exist, that evidence was then provided...).
Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
Pro committed argument from ignorance fallacy
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Conceded debates are not moderated and thus will not be removed unless they vote for the conceding side. This debate kinda perplexed me because Con did explicitly state in a forum topic that he concedes the debate; however because the final round was posted, we cannot allow voters to use that forum topic as a reason to vote.
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So you're saying he would obliterate you?
I am aware of who Ben Shapiro is and I disagree with many of his viewpoints. On the Internet, he has become a famous meme by being a great debater, so that's why I chose him as my profile picture. I also find that picture of him with laser eyes obliterating his opponents quite funny.
Um, con's an atheist, though his avatar, Ben Shapiro, is an Orthodox Jew.
Also, this is unrated, so I don't think it's going to be removed
I'll write a more detailed vote when I have the time
Your vote will probably get deleted soon. In order for your vote not to be deleted, you have to analyze each round and then explain your reasons for voting, not just write a single sentence.
I am so close to beating my head on the table right now from your stupidity. Can you not perform simple mathematical calculations?
149.6 million divided by 384 thousand equals THREE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY NINE!! If you don't believe me, grab a calculator and perform this simple division yourself.
Why can't you just accept that you are wrong?
Hint: In the article your provided, NASA says "about", not exactly. When they say that the Earth is about 400 times closer than the Sun, they are simply rounding. The actual number is 389. But then pseudoscientist bullshiters like you take these rounded numbers to claim that the Universe is full or great coincedences. So they don't disagree with me, but they do disagree with you. I haven't proven NASA wrong because they don't disagree with me.
you said
"Distance from the Earth to the Sun is 149,600,000 kilometers [1].
Distance from the Earth to the Moon is is 384,400 kilometers [2]."
then you did your own math
https://www.space.com/17081-how-far-is-earth-from-the-sun.html
you better go inform NASA That you have proven them wrong and your math is better then there's and every site on the internet.
"Even though the moon is 400 times smaller than the sun, it's also about 400 times closer to Earth than the sun is. This means that from Earth, the moon and the sun appear to be roughly the same size in the sky"
https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/total-solar-eclipse/en/
good if you know what an arm span is
It's not 383, it's 389. You can't even get your numbers straight.
My source was right in the comments, and by using simple mathematics we can determine that Earth's distance from the Sun is 389 times larger than the Earth's distance from the Moon.
I know what arm span is, and it is irrelevant to the claim that God created everything.
Arm span is when you hold your arms up like this.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kwsJcVLgQDZ1FDr6L-sfGVcrU6g1nBXFQiVxMWjYOmQ/edit
Now go back and read the first argument.I hope you understand
Were was your 383 size source. Anyway you understand what your arm span is right. if not put arm span in google images
"the sun is 400 times bigger then the moon and about 400 times farther away."
Seriously? I just disproved this, why are you repeating it again?