Instigator / Pro
Points: 14

ESP is real

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Science
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Round 1
Published:
Idk what to do with this debate. The atheist has agreed to change it to magic is real. So thank you.
At first i was going to say that the dog being able to sense emotion and cancer was a six sense. But scientist have dismissed this as a dog is able to smell  cancer and reads body emotions. I  believe that they still don't know what is happening and these are just theory's to explain the unexplained Given that they still do not know why  animals can sense natural disaster before it happened. I know that if i argue against there scientific reason  for why this happen. The debate would turn into a debate where TheAtheist just says they say its because the nose and i would say i don't think that is correct over and over again. This sorta six sense is seen again in emotions. a bunch of babies who were physically fine died from lack of love in the 40s. But that just means survival of the fittest is not true and gods morale system is in play. Anyway almost every ancient culture documents Magic as part of there history.I don't think they would have documented it as history unless it was true. Magic is used today. George W bush had a bunch of school children chant kite hit steal plane Must. Seconds after  they chanted this the twin towers was struck by an airplane and what we call 911 happened. Clearly the ritual worked. George Bush was doing his No kid left behind program where school's screw kids even more. Anyway George W bush got a lot of flack for being in a classroom with a bunch of students reading stupid books like the pet goat when 911 was happening. So Summary so George bush did a ritual where its magic came true. you might be a liberal so you might be blinded by god. So this might be 4th wall breaking. I am curious how you would respond.

SOURCES


"The Pet Goat," known for the book the President was reading to the children upon being informed by Andy Card that a second plane had struck the World Trade Center


This is the most clear ritual i have ever seen. Our president had the kids chant kite hit steal plane must over and  over and over again in a weird satanic ritual before the plane hit the world trade center


This is a must watch it is at 5:27. Very scary



Most of these deaths were not due to starvation or disease, but to severe emotional and sensorial deprivation – in other words, a lack of love. These babies were fed and medically treated, but they were absolutely deprived of important stimulation, especially touch and affection.



Published:
Preface:
Thank you to my opponent for this debate and let's begin.


My Position:
My opponent and I have agreed to change the topic of this debate from "ESP is real" to "Magic is real". My opponent should win if he proves that magic is real. I should win if I prove that we don't have enough evidence to conclude, beyond a reasonable doubt, that magic is real.
Think of this like a court trial, where my opponent is accusing magic of existing, and I am defending it. In order to win the trial, I don't have to prove that my defendant is innocent, I just have to prove that he is not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.


Definitions: 
My opponent has not offered any definitions, so I will offer some myself to avoid semantic issues.

  • Magic - the power of influencing events by using supernatural forces.
  • Real - having an objective reality of being.

My Case:
Like I explained in My Position, I don't have to prove that magic is not real.  I just have to prove that we don't have enough evidence to conclude, beyond a reasonable doubt, that it exists. I will be doing this by analyzing each of Pro's points and demonstrating how they are not enough to conclude that magic is real.


I. Magic was documented in history.
"Anyway almost every ancient culture documents Magic as part of there history.I don't think they would have documented it as history unless it was true."
Claiming that magic must be real just because every culture has told stories about it is an Argumentum ad Populum fallacy. Just because many people have believed the claim that magic is real does not make that claim more sound. Millions of flies believe that poop is a tasty snack, but that doesn't mean humans should all start eating feces for dinner, does it? What ancient cultures believed is irrelevant, and they also believed many things which we know are not true, such as a flat Earth. The fact that many people believe in magic is not enough to conclude that said magic must be real.


II. George Bush used magic to cause 9/11.
"George W bush had a bunch of school children chant kite hit steal plane Must. Seconds after  they chanted this the twin towers was struck by an airplane and what we call 911 happened."
The article my opponent provided does not mention anything about President Bush making the kids say magic spells to cause the collapse of the World Trade Center. My opponent is being dishonest by presenting us a source which does not support his claim. The YouTube video my opponent gave does make that claim, but it provides no evidence and just accuses Bush of saying that. It's not wise to trust a random conspiracy channel on the Internet that makes claims such as "Bush is the Anti-Christ". Based on the evidence we have, we can conclude that the 9/11 attacks were caused by two airplanes with terrorists and not a bunch of kindergartners chanting satanic spells.

"George Bush was doing his No kid left behind program where school's screw kids even more. Anyway George W bush got a lot of flack for being in a classroom with a bunch of students reading stupid books like the pet goat when 911 was happening"
This is irrelevant. We are arguing about whether magic is real or not, not whether George Bush was a competent president.


Conclusion:
So far, my opponent has not provided any sound evidence to conclude that magic is real. I strongly suspect that he is trolling right now, because I find it hard to believe that a real person would seriously think that liberals are blinded by God and that George W. Bush is the Anti-Christ. If my opponent had better examples of magic being real, he would've presented them. The fact that those are his best ones shows that his case is absolutely terrible. Voters, please consider my opponent's conduct and grammar: he said that liberals have been "blinded by God", his formatting is bad, and many of his sentences are not capitalized.









Round 2
Published:
Thank you the atheist. for taking this on.


New point

Lets say i have 3 pounds of corn seeds. Lets say i grow 180 pounds worth of corn with those seeds and 40 pounds of water was used to grow it.

180-43=137


Where did all this extra weight come from. 43 pounds turned into 180 pounds

Were did the extra 137 pounds come from.

The extra 137 pounds of corn magically came from nothing.



#God Created life from nothing.

Rebuttal
The link was not suppose to say bush did ritual with kid. i was just confirming this to be a real event.
in the video bush does not right out and say this is a ritual the teacher performs it by saying kite hit steal plane must in unison.
ancient people talked about magic as if it were fact. This is because it is fact.




Forfeited
Round 3
Published:
George bush did a ritual
Forfeited
Added:
it does not accuse bush of being the anti christ. and all the other stuff . i missed some stuff
Instigator
#20
Added:
--> @TheAtheist
cool
Instigator
#19
Added:
--> @crossed
Yes, we could do that. Let's keep this debate and in your opening round you can write that we agreed to change ESP to magic.
Contender
#18
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--> @TheAtheist
Magic spells . Sorcery casting spells through the tv. satanic rituals. I spelt it as magik because that is how a lot of people in the occult spell it for some reason.
Instigator
#17
Added:
--> @crossed
What is your definition of "magic"? Because ESP and magic are a bit different.
Contender
#16
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--> @TheAtheist
Do you want to change it to magik is real.
Instigator
#15
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--> @TheAtheist
i am taking pro. i honestly do not believe this. i just want to have some fun. I already disproved the talking point i was going to use so i am making new ones.
Instigator
#14
Added:
Since the position I am supposed to take was not clarified in the debate description, I will be arguing that we don't have enough evidence to conclude that ESP is real.
Contender
#13
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--> @Ragnar
Ok, sir, that was just plain rude.
#12
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--> @crossed
I would accept, but I expect leg counts and opinions on medicine proving God to somehow work its' way in... I've already had enough of those.
Anyway, the description should clarify the terms such as ESP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrasensory_perception). Also, please fix your formatting inside the debate rounds, here's a guide for how to do it right (if it helps, I'll claim God told me to tell you...): https://tiny.cc/DebateArt
#11
Added:
--> @RationalMadman
i said they were used by the occult. Not that cats are evil. I did not say they can not sense emotion
Instigator
#10
Added:
--> @crossed
You just said they are occult, can't sense emotions and are basically the epitome of evil creature.
Cats can be evil, it's true, especially leopards and tigers; they love to toy with their prey as do some domestic and/or feral but domestic-type cats species-wise. The thing about 'evil' is that it's not that they don't understand what the mouse feels while they toy with it, it's more likely a very sick and twisted sadistic empathy where they enjoy the fact that they're not feeling what the mouse is but fully comprehending it. More aggressive dogs and wolves display a similar sadism when they feel like either they or their owner is in danger; you will see them go much, much further than defence in attacks, more obvious in wild dogs in how offensive and non-defensive it is.
#9
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--> @RationalMadman
i love cats
Instigator
#8
Added:
--> @crossed
You have no clue how loving and endearing cats can be and are (as in cats not necessarily wild ones other than the cheetah, because cheetahs can be loving as a domestic cat at times if you raise them right or treat them right for long enough).
Cats have deep emotion and have displayed a much higher capacity than dogs at actually predicting a human's pattern of movement, daily routine etc. They will know when you're about to come home from work and time their outdoor activities to be inside by the time you get home if it's frequent. Dogs react, cats predict and learn patterns. Dogs do empathise better and deeper than cats do because cats get awkward about doing it. Cats display high-functioning autism as seen in humans but for them it's the 'norm'. They need their alone-time and space. Respect that and learn their unique preferences vs things they hate and you'll slowly make your cat absolutely adore you like a purr machine who cares deeply for you when you cry, laugh etc. Dogs will do it of course yes but cats will predict, understand and learn from you in a way dogs never will.
#7
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--> @crossed
Ok, got it.
**Note to self: magic mushrooms are bad
#6
#2
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Forfeiting every round after the first counts as an FF, to which we must award in favor of the other side.
#1
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
FF