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God measured stuff

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Round 1
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Do you know how your hands are exactly the same size. Put them together examine each finger. Now look at you feet there exactly the same. This is because God measured you out. Or to be more exact he measured Adam and eve out perfectly And you have only inherited these perfect measurements. For example my hands are not even a cm off there exactly the same. same with my feet there exactly the same . my ears are both exactly the same God measured them out.
God measured Adam and eve perfectly. Adam and eve had children And the Information/Measurements in the DNA code were past onto the children. It is DNA it is possible that measurements can get mutated. But generally most of your body parts have been measured precisely. My nose holes are exactly the same.
If you ever come across a butterfly there right wings are exactly the same as there left butterfly. exactly the same not a cm off. This is because god measured the first butterfly out and these precise measurements were past down through them via there DNA.
if you say i bet i can find one that is not precise. And i would agree with you the information in our DNA can get mutated.But you will have to catch 100 butterfly till you find one that is off



I measured my right  foot and my left foot they are both the same.
I tried to get my adopted sibling feet size Bianca and Spencer but i could only get a picture of both there feat next to a ruler. I could not get individual foot pictures from them.


i measured my right  big toe next to my left big toe


i plan on getting pictures off all the limbs.


anyway if you put both of your hands together they are mostly going to be  exactly the same. same with most symmetry items found in nature. i have so much confidence in this is i would bet money if we were in the same room. That your hands are exactly the same.




God counted stuff out. these are precise numbers


Humans have 2 eyes2 ears

dogs have 2 eyes 2 ears


cats have 2 eyes 2 ears


horses have 2 eyes 2 ears


cows have 2 eyes 2 ears

weasels have 2 eyes 2 ears

goes on for about 90 percent of all animals

same with 4 legs and 2 legs and 2 arms




i wonder if it is the same amount of time between each heart beat




our body has body clocks that release hormones on a precise scheduled.


our body hormone release clocks which are synced.


Our body's clocks usually operate in a 24 our period which is the time a day lasts.

Circadian rhythm refers to the biological tendency to operate in 24-hour cycles of sleeping and waking. It’s also referred to as a biological or internal clock, even though they’re not quite the same thing

The body sometimes fails to do the 24 hours because we get sick. But the fact that it try's to run on 24 hours means it is suppose to run on 24 hours

 The system requires both types of input -- light and genes -- to keep it on track. To stay on the 24-hour cycle

but if its been 25 hours your body figures out hay i have gone longer then 24 hours i better reset. it is intelegent

Our daytime clocks reset once we see sunlight. or if it go past 25 hours. Which is why the master clock is precisely placed between the eyes, These clocks do not run longer then 25 hours. it gives it between 24 hours and 25 to figure out that it needs to reset 24 hours is exactly one day.
sun-filled mornings into a wake-up call that gets your body in gear for another day’s activities, your central master clock swings into action. The all-important timekeeper is located inside a region of your brain called the hypothalamus. Not by accident, this clock is ingeniously positioned directly above the intersection between the two optical nerves coming from your eyes—the ultimate light sensors.
How does it have knowledge that you are suppose to be up when it is light out. and be sleeping when it is dark out

20000 is a precise number it is not like 28504 or 3869 or 8536  but is a precise number like 5000 or 3000
The master clock is what controls all of your body’s biological clocks. It’s made up of 20,000 nerve cells that form a structure called the suprachiasmatic nucleus (SCN). The master clock syncs up all internal clocks.



If i go to another time zone like someplace like china . wear the clock is 4 hours again the clocks in my body will reset to the 7:30 in china because our body's are synced with nature

things ourselves that disrupt our normal rhythms, like flying to a distant time zone.
the outside environment tells us it's another. In fact, jet lag can be considered one type of circadian rhythm disorder. It can be treated simply be allowing the body to adjust to the new time



our body releases hormones during night exactly when i need it.


our body releases hormones during the day when exactly when i need it


If your an old ladies your body will release hormones during the last year when your fertile. so you won't miss out. how does it have knowledge that this is the last chance to get baby's.


You’ve heard about a woman’s biological clock ticking when she’s in the midst of childbearing years. This clock is signaling a woman that time is “running out,” and it may influence her thoughts and behaviors.

It also releases hormones if your in a midlife crisis.

Biological clocks are also responsible for mid-life crises, and now the millennial quarter-life crisis, which causes people to question their entire existence. Those in middle age tend to get convertibles and make questionable life choices, while their quarter-life counterparts might spontaneously quit their jobs to travel the world.



So summary

you body releases sleeping hormones precisely when it gets dark out.


your Body releases hormones exactly when it is day out.


Your body releases midlife crisis hormones exactly when you hit your midlife crisis.

your body releases extreme teenage hormones during the last years that you can get pregnant..


How does it know
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Do you know how your hands are exactly the same size. Put them together examine each finger. Now look at you feet there exactly the same. This is because God measured you out.  For example my hands are not even a cm off there exactly the same. same with my feet there exactly the same . my ears are both exactly the same God measured them out.
Pro's argument is largely a non-sequitur - that is to say, that even if pro's claims were true, it does not logically follow that God, or some other being must have measured them. 
Or to be more exact he measured Adam and eve out perfectly And you have only inherited these perfect measurements.
If this were the case, every man would be exactly the same, and every woman would be exactly the same.
I would like to point out here that pro first needs to establish that Adam and Eve existed before making the above claim.

Humans have 2 eyes2 ears

dogs have 2 eyes 2 ears


cats have 2 eyes 2 ears


horses have 2 eyes 2 ears


cows have 2 eyes 2 ears

weasels have 2 eyes 2 ears

goes on for about 90 percent of all animals
Firstly, pro's claim here is mostly untrue. Most (if not all) mammals will have two eyes, but lots of insects, all spiders and basic life forms such as worms all vary in the amount of eyes they have. Furthermore, most 'living creatures' are bacteria, which have no eyes or ears, and even for eukaryotic life forms, most are plants or fungi.


i wonder if it is the same amount of time between each heart beat
No. The smaller the animal the quicker the heartbeat, generally speaking. I would like to point out here pro's lack of research into this debate at this point, speaking mostly in generals and made ups statistics ('90% of all animals' being a key example). In addition, pro has yet to establish why any of this means God. On the point of eyes, for example, one eye would not allow for much depth of vision, or distance, and more than two eyes is unnecessary, and would use a disproportionate amount of resources compared to the information a third eye would give us. This is exactly what happens through evolution, God is completely unnecessary.

our body has body clocks that release hormones on a precise scheduled.


our body hormone release clocks which are synced.


Our body's clocks usually operate in a 24 our period which is the time a day lasts. 

Circadian rhythm refers to the biological tendency to operate in 24-hour cycles of sleeping and waking. It’s also referred to as a biological or internal clock, even though they’re not quite the same thing
Pro has got this backwards. We evolved for our circadian rhythm to be 24 hours because of the length of a day on earth, not the other way around.

but if its been 25 hours your body figures out hay i have gone longer then 24 hours i better reset. it is intelegent
Another non sequitur. Something performing a function doesn't make it intelligent.

How does it have knowledge that you are suppose to be up when it is light out. and be sleeping when it is dark out
We have eyes to see the light, which send signals to the brain to release the chemicals. This is why blue light from phones can affect our sleeping patterns.

20000 is a precise number it is not like 28504 or 3869 or 8536  but is a precise number like 5000 or 3000
The master clock is what controls all of your body’s biological clocks. It’s made up of 20,000 nerve cells that form a structure called the suprachiasmatic nucleus (SCN). The master clock syncs up all internal clocks.
Because counting all the cells individually would be impossible, or unnecessarily time consuming. 20,000 is an estimate.


If your an old ladies your body will release hormones during the last year when your fertile. so you won't miss out. how does it have knowledge that this is the last chance to get baby's.
Women have a finite amount of ova, and when there are none left, it will send signals to the brain causing a release of hormones.

So in summary, pro has told us a lot of information which is unrelated to 'God measuring stuff.' He has failed to hold up his side of the burden of proof.
Round 2
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If this were the case, every man would be exactly the same, and every woman would be exactly the same
no gene turn on and off. We all have black skin DNA and we all have white skin DNA but the black skin DNA is turned off in me.So no we would not look the same. Secondly i think it is the information in the DNA that tells it to be the same. lets say i have a 6 inch right hand.The DNA then uses the 6 inches information on the right hand for the left hand.Anyway this is still mostly theory. if you go around asking people to measure there hands most of the time they would both be the same. I believe god measured Adam out then the information was passed down to his kids. being us which is why we have these precise numbers

I would like to point out here that pro first needs to establish that Adam and Eve existed before making the above claim.
Everyone on the planet can trace there ancestor to a single female. She is eve. Through mitochondria eve. When a mother gives birth she keeps a record of herself and all the mothers before her in the mitochondria eve DNA.Which is why we can only do this with girls
Firstly, pro's claim here is mostly untrue. Most (if not all) mammals will have two eyes, but lots of insects, all spiders and basic life forms such as worms all vary in the amount of eyes they have. Furthermore, most 'living creatures' are bacteria, which have no eyes or ears, and even for eukaryotic life forms, most are plants or fungi.
Insects follow a different pattern of 6 8 12 or 24 legs. God counted out. all precise numbers. Bacteria you got me with that one but all the animals you can physically  see God counted out


On the point of eyes, for example, one eye would not allow for much depth of vision, or distance, and more than two eyes is unnecessary, and would use a disproportionate amount of resources compared to the information a third eye would give us. This is exactly what happens through evolution, God is completely unnecessary
evolution does not work with everything. I could see why you would say one eye would be an evolutionary disadvantage. But This does not just extend to just arms or legs. A cat species called the serval has one ear with a really cool design. but the design is seen on both ears. Same exact ear design on both ears. only god would care if that was proportionate. there is not evolutionary advantage of having ear designs. My dog secret has the same thing.




Pro has got this backwards. We evolved for our circadian rhythm to be 24 hours because of the length of a day on earth, not the other way around.
and every creature did this all evolved the same way. rats go 23.5. every cell in our body has a clock that runs around 24 hours. evolution does not know what a day is based on what you believe nothing is capable of.

What exactly is the body clock?
The body clock, or circadian clock, is an internal clock that keeps track of time. Circadian comes from "circa-diem" meaning "around a day". So in a mouse for example it is about 23.5 hours and for a human its about 24.5 hours.
That's a little close to be an accident. Its almost as if the creator was aware of the 24 hour day cycle when he created the first creatures.

btw the moon is out for about 12 hours a day

Because of the Earth's rotation, the moon is above the horizon roughly 12 hours out of every 24.
the sun is out for around 12 hours to
On average, the sun is in the sky half of each day

What a coincidence. The sun is out for around 12 hours each day and the moon is around 12 hours each day.
its almost as if god created the sun to be in the sky for 12 hours. Then created the moon to be in the sky for 12 hours.But that can not be. Believing in Jesus is like believing in Santa.

God measured the sun time to around 12 hours then measured the moon time to around 12 hours. It was probably once perfect but time breaks things. What are the chances of such a coincidence happening.With the fairy tale evolution

the sun is out  for about


We have eyes to see the light, which send signals to the brain to release the chemicals. This is why blue light from phones can affect our sleeping patterns.
If we do not get light it auto creates itself when it has been 25 hours.

Because counting all the cells individually would be impossible, or unnecessarily time consuming. 20,000 is an estimate.
Source pls.



Women have a finite amount of ova, and when there are none left, it will send signals to the brain causing a release of hormones.
Cool I'm saying god did it. How does it know when to send the signals. Send signals excuse me your telling me there is a phone service that was formed naturally via evolution. Your full of it. It took man so much thinking knowledge and intelligence to create the first Phones. You insult the creator when you say it does not take intelligence knowledge and thinking  to do the same in nature.



but if its been 25 hours your body figures out hay i have gone longer then 24 hours i better reset. it is intelegent
Another non sequitur. Something performing a function doesn't make it intelligent.
It used intelligence. it resized that 24 hours was the time god gave it and has a 1 hour cool down till 25 hours where it auto corrects itself.

If evolution created it. It would not have a function. Only an intelligent being can create something with purpose and function.




No. The smaller the animal the quicker the heartbeat, generally speaking. I would like to point out here pro's lack of research into this debate at this point, speaking mostly in generals and made ups statistics ('90% of all animals' being a key example). In addition, pro has yet to establish why any of this means God
I did plenty of research just most of this is still theories created by me. that is not what i meant when i said heartbeat. that the heart beats at the same pace. not every animals or human heart beats pounds at the same rate.

Published:
Pro's argument is once again entirely non-sensical, and, once again, he fails to address how any of his points explain why a creator must exist.
Furthermore, he has only attempted to rebut my rebuttal, making his argument largely useless in the scheme of the debate, as he, once again, has not truly logically connected 'God,' with 'measuring.'

no gene turn on and off. We all have black skin DNA and we all have white skin DNA but the black skin DNA is turned off in me.So no we would not look the same. Secondly i think it is the information in the DNA that tells it to be the same. lets say i have a 6 inch right hand.The DNA then uses the 6 inches information on the right hand for the left hand.Anyway this is still mostly theory. if you go around asking people to measure there hands most of the time they would both be the same.
In this paragraph alone, my opponent shows his lack of understanding of English and Biology. Genetics are far more complicated than being 'switched off.' Sources for this are abundant, so I would recommend trying to find more information if you are interested. Here is a simple link from the top result of a google search "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_skin_color"
Now, I won't even attempt to talk about the next part, as, by pro's own admission, it is his own thoughts, and are completely wrong. Our hands are equal in size (roughly) for evolutionary purposes, notably for bilateral symmetry, where body parts are usually distributed evenly. To put it plainly: having one hand be larger has no evolutionary benefit, so why would we evolve that way? 
I believe god measured Adam out then the information was passed down to his kids. being us which is why we have these precise numbers
Again, a non-sequitur. Why does the fact that people tend to have roughly the same size hands mean God must have created Adam? And anyway, I don't have the same size hands as my dad, for example, so this clearly doesn't add up.

Everyone on the planet can trace there ancestor to a single female. She is eve. Through mitochondria eve. When a mother gives birth she keeps a record of herself and all the mothers before her in the mitochondria eve DNA.Which is why we can only do this with girls
Mitochondrial eve disproves biblical eve, as it Is clear evidence of evolution. Another misunderstood scientific concept.

Insects follow a different pattern of 6 8 12 or 24 legs. God counted out. all precise numbers. Bacteria you got me with that one but all the animals you can physically  see God counted out
I don't know what the point is, here. Centipedes, for example, tend to have different numbers of legs, all odd. Did God make a mistake with this one, for example? Furthermore, no marine creatures have legs. They are animals too.

evolution does not work with everything. I could see why you would say one eye would be an evolutionary disadvantage. But This does not just extend to just arms or legs. A cat species called the serval has one ear with a really cool design. but the design is seen on both ears. Same exact ear design on both ears. only god would care if that was proportionate. 
(It was this link that made me think this guy is a troll (so much evidence for the Jesus? Forgive me if I'm wrong))
Animals have 'cool designs' because it acts as a warming to scare away potential predators. Nothing more. And again, having one massive ear and one tiny ear would have no advantage.

and every creature did this all evolved the same way. rats go 23.5. every cell in our body has a clock that runs around 24 hours. evolution does not know what a day is based on what you believe nothing is capable of.

And why do you think that is? All creatures evolved on the same earth, with the same amount of hours in a day.

btw the moon is out for about 12 hours a day

Because of the Earth's rotation, the moon is above the horizon roughly 12 hours out of every 24.
the sun is out for around 12 hours to

On average, the sun is in the sky half of each day
Again, pro has got this backwards. A day is 24 hours long because the sun takes 24 hours to appear on one side of the earth, disappear on the other and reappear again. Also, you can see the moon at most points in the day, if you look for it. Furthermore
1) So? How does this prove a creator at all? 
2) About and roughly? A creator would have made it exact, no?
3) Yahoo answers is not a credible source. Even then, reading the top answer disproves your point.

What a coincidence. The sun is out for around 12 hours each day and the moon is around 12 hours each day.
its almost as if god created the sun to be in the sky for 12 hours. Then created the moon to be in the sky for 12 hours.
Hours are based on the sun, not the other way around.

But that can not be. Believing in Jesus is like believing in Santa.
I couldn't have put it better myself.

If we do not get light it auto creates itself when it has been 25 hours.
What does? Our internal clock? Not at all. There are numerous studies of people being locked in a dark room for a long time without any sensual input and they lose track of time completley.

Because counting all the cells individually would be impossible, or unnecessarily time consuming. 20,000 is an estimate.
Source pls. 
Logic and common sense. 

Cool I'm saying god did it. How does it know when to send the signals. Send signals excuse me your telling me there is a phone service that was formed naturally via evolution.
It knows when to send this signals when there are none left, because It cant release anymore eggs. Simple as.
Phones and phone service is man made, and thus are non comparable.

Your full of it
You're

You insult the creator when you say it does not take intelligence knowledge and thinking  to do the same in nature. 
And again, how does this prove God? You are yet to prove he exists, saying I insulted him is premature. 

I did plenty of research just most of this is still theories created by me.
Misused and misleading word here. It is a guess, or hypothesis (being kind), not a theory. A theory is the highest compliment something can get in science.

that is not what i meant when i said heartbeat. that the heart beats at the same pace. not every animals or human heart beats pounds at the same rate.
What did you mean then?

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To summarise, pro has once again failed to prove anything, and has instead shown a lack of scientific understanding.
Round 3
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We seem to be at a misunderstanding. There seems to be two misunderstanding that needs to addressed.
My article said that the body clocks auto reset at 25 hours. Con say's there has been experiments where there clocks do not reset. He links me to a video and nowhere in the video did they say there body clocks did not reset. It's just people trapped in a room for 48 hours. So my argument stands that god was aware of the 24 hour day when designing our body clocks.
Here another article if it is not enough.
If you are kept in constant darkness your body will still work to around a 24-hour cycle. It is not just being driven by light and dark. It is an intracellular clock so if you look in individual cells they are all able to keep time as well
Again, a non-sequitur. Why does the fact that people tend to have roughly the same size hands mean God must have created Adam? And anyway, I don't have the same size hands as my dad, for example, so this clearly doesn't add up.

I did not say this. I said my right hand is the same size as my left hand. This is because God put measurements in my DNA so they would both be the same. My left foot is the Same exact size as my right foot. This is because god put measurements in my DNA so they would be both exactly the same. Sometimes there can be mutations where it can be off.  It is easier explained with precise numbers like 5 fingers 5 toes.So i will explain that first. God  put precise numbers as information in my DNA. Those precise numbers being. I have 5 fingers and 5 toes. But sometimes those precise numbers Can get screwed up because the information in the DNA that has those precise numbers can mutate. Stuff like people being born with 6 fingers happen. Same thing with The measurements God put in the DNA. My right hand is the exactly the same size as my left hand. If you check this out with most people there hands will be exactly the same as each other. God put measurements in the the DNA as information. DNA is storage for information. A Harvard professor  was able to shove 700 terabytes worth of information into a single gram of DNA.To put this in perspective my new computer only holds 20 GB worth of information. 1 Terabyte = 1000 plus GB.So lets be clear here DNA is a storage facility for information. The information God put in the DNA in this case is measurements. Our DNA can get damaged and the measurements in the DNA can get mutated. But this almost never happens for hand and foot sizes.  My left hand is the same size as my left. your right hand is probably the same size as your left. God made everything symmetrical./proportionate.


DNA Complexity.
I bring up recessive and dominate and say this is why some genes are active others are not. Recessive genes are not really activated which is why we do not see recessive traits only dominant one. So they are as i say turned off.
Con responds to this and say it is so much more complex then that and links Wikipedia which talks about the DNA a lot. Which he is right DNA is very complex. I would even say more advance.But i explained Why we have genes that are not actively pretty well. I could go further but what is the point. The reason why DNA is far more advance then any Computers is because of God. DNA is more Advance than Computer software. I prefer the word Advance more then Complex. Bill Gates said DNA is like computer code. But far more advance than any computer software ever invented. Harvard was able to shove 700 terabytes worth of data in a single gram of DNA. To put this in perspective. My new computer only holds 20 GB Of storage. Humans used great knowledge thinking and intelligence to create my computer. But God used a billion times  more knowledge and thinking and intelligence then the human did when creating DNA. We always here how things found in nature are a billion times more advance then computers' computer software' airplanes and other man made invention that took a lot of thinking knowledge and intelligence. But we are to stupid to realize that the reason why thing in nature are a billion times more advance then man made stuff.This Is because the one creating stuff in nature  is a billion times more advance then humans.I am saying God did it.
Terabyte (TB) - 1 TB is equal to 1024 GB.
"Human DNA is like a computer program but far, far more advanced than any software ever created." Bill Gates.
The reason why DNA  is a billion  times more Advance then a computer. Is because the one created it is a billion times  more advance then any human.





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Again, pro has got this backwards. A day is 24 hours long because the sun takes 24 hours to appear on one side of the earth
Your claiming the sun is out for 24 hours a day. no night time exist. No the sun is on one side for 12 hours the other side for 12 hours.Its not precise But Dam it is way to close to be a coincidence. The moon operates the same way 12 hours on one side And 12 hours on the other. It can be off slightly. But it is one hell of a coincidence. There on each side of the earth nearly the exact same amount of time. same with moon

Because of the Earth's rotation, the moon is above the horizon roughly 12 hours out of every 24. Since those 12 hours almost never coincide with the roughly 12 hours of daylight in every 24 hours, the possible window for observing the moon in daylight averages about 6 hours a day.

If the reason why we call a day 24 hours is because It takes 24 hours for the sun to go around the earth. Why do our body clocks run on a 24 hours schedule that's a little  bit of a huge coincidence. I do not believe there are coincidence's. I believe there is a god though. Our sun moves around the earth for 24 hours and our body's clocks conveniently run on 24 hours.
What exactly is the body clock?
The body clock, or circadian clock, is an internal clock that keeps track of time. Circadian comes from "circa-diem" meaning "around a day". So in a mouse for example it is about 23.5 hours and for a human its about 24.5 hours.
If you are kept in constant darkness your body will still work to around a 24-hour cycle. It is not just being driven by light and dark. It is an intracellular clock so if you look in individual cells they are all able to keep time as well. If you put cells in a dish they will show 24-hour changes in gene expression.

I said
Cool I'm saying god did it. How does it know when to send the signals. Send signals excuse me your telling me there is a phone service that was formed naturally via evolution.
Con said
It knows when to send this signals when there are none left, because It cant release anymore eggs. Simple as.
Phones and phone service is man made, and thus are non comparable.
my response
Its still ESP and is a sixth sense.It's magic Your claiming that it is intelligent. It has knowledge that it is has no eggs then it uses that knowledge to send signals.I don't believe our body is intelligent but i believe our creator is.
Using knowledge is one of the requirements for intelligence And that is what your claiming the body did.

intelligence
  • The ability to acquire, understand, and use knowledge.
I can compare the two because the two things operate the same exact same way and were both created the same way. Man used great knowledge and thinking to create phones. God used create knowledge and thinking to create the esp system that body parts use to sends signals to the brain.



Con said
Mitochondrial eve disproves biblical eve, as it Is clear evidence of evolution. Another misunderstood scientific concept.
Show me evidence why it supports evolution. Your just claiming something supports evolution. claim without evidence.



I said
You insult the creator when you say it does not take intelligence knowledge and thinking  to do the same in nature. 

you said
And again, how does this prove God? You are yet to prove he exists, saying I insulted him is premature. 
my reply

He used knowledge thinking and intelligence.

My entire argument is it takes man to use thinking knowledge and intelligence to create something.

A Thing found in nature does the same thing as the thing done by man but more advance.

Thus it takes great knowledge thinking and intelligence to create the same thing in nature.Claim is not dis-proven




Misused and misleading word here. It is a guess, or hypothesis (being kind), not a theory. A theory is the highest compliment something can get in science.
And that is what i did. I saw something and explained it with scientific reasoning. I'm guessing you do not believe in conspiracy theory's like i do. But most of the time people say something with a lot of fact's like a conspiracy theory and liberals get all pissed off at it. Like pharmakeia the conspiracy theory about modern medicine created by Jesus Christ. Thousands of years before modern medicine was a thing. There is a lot that support it. We always here about how corrupt big pharma is. Big pharma derived there word of something that literally means poisoning with drugs



What did you mean then?
It does not matter. But maybe the hear takes the same amount of time for each heart beat.


Animals have 'cool designs' because it acts as a warming to scare away potential predators. Nothing more. And again, having one massive ear and one tiny ear would have no advantage.
This does not scare anything.


I said
Insects follow a different pattern of 6 8 12 or 24 legs. God counted out. all precise numbers. Bacteria you got me with that one but all the animals you can physically  see God counted out

I don't know what the point is, here. Centipedes, for example, tend to have different numbers of legs, all odd. Did God make a mistake with this one, for example? Furthermore, no marine creatures have legs. They are animals too
I said most animals. secondly some sea creatures follow another trend of same amount of  fins. Almost everything follows patterns. Only an intelligent being can create patterns. I paint my room blue so i paint my door blue to match it. if i load a bunch of paint in a cannon and fire it randomly color my room. It would not proportionately cover everything and it would be random colors. This would be the case if nothing created life everything would not be proportionate. My Cat body is orange and it just so happens her tail is orange.Why is it proportioned it should be random


And why do you think that is? All creatures evolved on the same earth, with the same amount of hours in a day.
How can you evolve and grow a clock. God clocked all clocks the same is more likely. A clock is very advance.It takes a lot of intelligence to create  clock.. How much harder would it be to do the same thing but intercellularly.
I ask this a lot. But why would being in the snow cause a mutation that turns you white. Why would snow cause a mutation that turns an animals white. Is there something in the snow that does it. What causes this.

i said
But that can not be. Believing in Jesus is like believing in Santa.
you said
I couldn't have put it better myself.
My reply
This ideology was made up by Satan. Santa is just Satan rearranged. the both are depicted with red. Santa's last name is Claws
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My opponent jumps straight in with his rebuttal, so I will do the same
My article said that the body clocks auto reset at 25 hours. Con say's there has been experiments where there clocks do not reset. He links me to a video and nowhere in the video did they say there body clocks did not reset. It's just people trapped in a room for 48 hours. So my argument stands that god was aware of the 24 hour day when designing our body clocks.
We do appear to be at a misunderstanding, Pro, but this seems to be in the way you watched this video. My point was that, when there are no external factors, the people (and all humans, by extension become confused, disorientated and overtired - our time keeping mechanisms rely on these external stimuli. Yes our cells themselves will roughly track 'time,' (obviously not in the same way we do) but our brains rely on the outside world. No, your argument does not stand, as it merely crawled in the first place, 

This is because God put measurements in my DNA so they would both be the same.
It seems that my opponent has forgotten his own original argument. In round 1, you said that
Or to be more exact he measured Adam and eve out perfectly And you have only inherited these perfect measurements
This would imply, to a logical person, that all men and all women would, indeed, have the same "measurements" if we had, indeed, been "measured," no?
 Either this 'God,' (whom you made no effort at all to prove exits, and therefore we should assume the opposite) measured your DNA or Adams, it cannot be both.
You are also seemingly contradicting the very nature of your own God in your arguments. A completely perfect being would not allow for mutation in his creation ("screw up," in your words).

Pro then talks about dominant and recessive genes for some reason, it is not related to this debate.
The reason why DNA is far more advance then any Computers is because of God. DNA is more Advance than Computer software. I prefer the word Advance more then Complex. Bill Gates said DNA is like computer code. But far more advance than any computer software ever invented. Harvard was able to shove 700 terabytes worth of data in a single gram of DNA. To put this in perspective. My new computer only holds 20 GB Of storage. Humans used great knowledge thinking and intelligence to create my computer. But God used a billion times  more knowledge and thinking and intelligence then the human did when creating DNA. We always here how things found in nature are a billion times more advance then computers' computer software' airplanes and other man made invention that took a lot of thinking knowledge and intelligence. But we are to stupid to realize that the reason why thing in nature are a billion times more advance then man made stuff.This Is because the one creating stuff in nature  is a billion times more advance then humans.I am saying God did it.
On the surface, this is a good analogy. It, however, is relatively meaningless, as it just used as a way to help people such as you and I, who have little amounts of understanding In this field, to visualise it. 
DNA is massively complicated, you are correct, but it is also massively unnecessary. Much of our DNA is waste (according to this Guardian article on Biologist findings, as much as 90%! https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jul/24/10-percent-human-dna-functional-genome-biological-baggage). Why would an intelligent God create this, why would it be necessary? In addition, computer code was made to be as simple as possible, and as efficient as possible, whilst evolution takes no such factors into account, and that Is why our DNA is, essentially, loosely cobbled together.
Also, why did you buy a computer with only 20GB of storage?

Again, pro has got this backwards. A day is 24 hours long because the sun takes 24 hours to appear on one side of the earth
Your claiming the sun is out for 24 hours a day. no night time exist. No the sun is on one side for 12 hours the other side for 12 hours.Its not precise But Dam it is way to close to be a coincidence. The moon operates the same way 12 hours on one side And 12 hours on the other. It can be off slightly. But it is one hell of a coincidence. There on each side of the earth nearly the exact same amount of time. same with moon
No I didn't. I said " day is 24 hours long because the sun takes 24 hours to appear on one side of the earth, disappear on the other and reappear again." Convenient you cut half my point to make yours.

The thing my opponent is missing, however, is what time is, and what it is measured by. Time is the way it is because of the sun. A day is defined as the amount of time the earth takes to make one complete revolution, and by extension, the amount of time the sun takes to do one complete circle around the earth. The sun doesn't just happen to be in the sky for 24 hours, the concept of hours exists because of how long the sun is in the sky for. And no, the moon is also sometimes visible during the day.

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Its still ESP and is a sixth sense.It's magic Your claiming that it is intelligent. It has knowledge that it is has no eggs then it uses that knowledge to send signals.I don't believe our body is intelligent but i believe our creator is.
Using knowledge is one of the requirements for intelligence And that is what your claiming the body did.
It seems that you have a bad habit for wrenching things out of context. The body "knows" there are no eggs left because it can no longer release them. This would trigger signals. No knowledge is involved, and again, we are only using "knows" to make it easier to comprehend, not because it is what is meant.

I can compare the two because the two things operate the same exact same way and were both created the same way. Man used great knowledge and thinking to create phones. God used create knowledge and thinking to create the esp system that body parts use to sends signals to the brain.
Something which pro has failed to even attempt to prove, and thus this statement is irrelevent.

Show me evidence why it supports evolution. Your just claiming something supports evolution. claim without evidence. 

The irony. 

The definition of mitochondrial eve - In human genetics, the Mitochondrial Eve (also mt-Eve, mt-MRCA) is the matrilineal most recent common ancestor (MRCA) of all currently living humans, i.e., the most recent woman from whom all living humans descend in an unbroken line purely through their mothers.
Mitochondrial eve is a biological evolutionary concept. The fact that you would blame otherwise is nonsensical.

He used knowledge thinking and intelligence.

My entire argument is it takes man to use thinking knowledge and intelligence to create something.

A Thing found in nature does the same thing as the thing done by man but more advance.

Thus it takes great knowledge thinking and intelligence to create the same thing in nature.Claim is not dis-proven
This is what the topic of debate is (did God use knowledge etc). This begs the question, and thus the argument is invalid - you can't assume your conclusion is true to prove that conclusion.

 I'm guessing you do not believe in conspiracy theory's like i do
Correct.

But most of the time people say something with a lot of fact's like a conspiracy theory and liberals get all pissed off at it. 
I'm not a liberal. Also, this is a religious debate, not a political rant.

Like pharmakeia the conspiracy theory about modern medicine created by Jesus Christ. Thousands of years before modern medicine was a thing. There is a lot that support it. We always here about how corrupt big pharma is. Big pharma derived there word of something that literally means poisoning with drugs
1) Jesus did not invent modern medicine. Touching someone and saying: "you're healed," does not work, unfortunately.
2) Why is this relevant?
3) You cant link me to an unfinished debate as a source!


This does not scare anything.
You know this how?

I said most animals. secondly some sea creatures follow another trend of same amount of  fins. Almost everything follows patterns. Only an intelligent being can create patterns. 
Source? Another baseless claim from pro. This is getting rather boring now.

 I paint my room blue so i paint my door blue to match it. 
That isn't a pattern, that is a bad interior design choice.

My Cat body is orange 
This is the best thing about this whole debate.

secondly some sea creatures follow another trend of same amount of  fins.
Please refer to my round 1 argument on eyes. I am tired or repeating myself to this guy.

How can you evolve and grow a clock. God clocked all clocks the same is more likely. A clock is very advance.It takes a lot of intelligence to create  clock.. How much harder would it be to do the same thing but intercellularly. 
I ask this a lot. But why would being in the snow cause a mutation that turns you white. Why would snow cause a mutation that turns an animals white. Is there something in the snow that does it. What causes this.
This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. 
And snow causes a mutation that causes polar animals to be white as a camouflage, either to protect themselves from predators or prey. This is something normally taught in primary school science.

This ideology was made up by Satan. Santa is just Satan rearranged. the both are depicted with red. Santa's last name is Claws
Yup. This guy is a troll.
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Why do you leave random amounts of lines between each paragraph? It makes your argument look messy and hard to read.
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God precisely dialed there hormone clock so deer would release there hormone every October for deer mating season.This is precise because this happen every year at the same month October.
this is for espanol deer
"Deer have a fairly long mating season that covers from October through January. This period of time is called the rut"
https://www.deerworlds.com/deer-reproduction/
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If i set my clock to wake me up when i have to go to work. My clock has been precisely dialed.
If the school bell rings right after class ends. That school bell ring is precisely dialed.
If my hormone clocks release sleep hormones when it is dark outside. That clock is precisely dialed
If my day time hormones are released when it is light outside. that clock is precisely dialed
if my midlife crisis hormones are released when i am having a midlife crisis. that clock is precisely dialed
in females if there old and only have a year left to be able to be able to conceive baby's and there hormone clocks release chemicals that make them pursue those thing. so they don't miss out. that clock has been precisely dialed
I butchered that last one so here what i am talking about.
"You’ve heard about a woman’s biological clock ticking when she’s in the midst of childbearing years. This clock is signaling a woman that time is “running out,” and it may influence her thoughts and behaviors."
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what a title:God measured STUFF
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Do you know how your hands are exactly the same size. Put them together examine each finger. Now look at you feet there exactly the same. This is because God measured you out. Or to be more exact he measured Adam and eve out perfectly And you have only inherited these perfect measurements. For example my hands are not even a cm off there exactly the same. same with my feet there exactly the same . my ears are both exactly the same God measured them out.
God measured Adam and eve perfectly. Adam and eve had children And the Information/Measurements in the DNA code were past onto the children. It is DNA it is possible that measurements can get mutated. But generally most of your body parts have been measured precisely. My nose holes are exactly the same.
If you ever come across a butterfly there right wings are exactly the same as there left butterfly. exactly the same not a cm off. This is because god measured the first butterfly out and these precise measurements were past down through them via there DNA.
if you say i bet i can find one that is not precise. And i would agree with you the information in our DNA can get mutated.But you will have to catch 100 butterfly till you find one that is off
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Do you mean that god measured out the exact proportions of everything in the universe?
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Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
"Pro's argument is largely a non-sequitur - that is to say, that even if pro's claims were true, it does not logically follow that God, or some other being must have measured them." Pro then drops this. Con extends: "Pro's argument is once again entirely non-sensical, and, once again, he fails to address how any of his points explain why a creator must exist."
Without addressing that key rebuttal by con of even implying a creator, it leaves the resolution as an impossibly until such time as pro first proves God exists to have done said measurements.