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pharmacuticals are designed to kill you

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evil definitions



the word pharmakeai means

    poisoning
    sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it
    metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry


the word pharmakon means

from pharmakon (a drug)
Definition
a poisoner, sorcerer, magician
NASB Translation


pharmacy is derived off the word pharmakeai. This is because pharmacy's want to harm you.

etomology online dictionary says pharmacy came from pharmakeai.



in the collinsdictionary.com under the word pharmaceutical. in the origins of section. it talks about how the word comes from pharmakon

or  if you look at yourdictionary.COM you get under origins
you get
Origin of pharmaceutical
Late Latin pharmaceuticus from Classical Greek pharmakeutikos from pharmakeuein, to practice witchcraft, use medicine from pharmakon, a poison, medicine

pharmakeai used to be in the bible


King James Version
And  the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the   voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all   in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy   pharmakeai were all nations deceived.


pharmaceutical industry is a drug cartel


1.pharmaceuticals are the 4th leading cause of death . this is because pharmaceuticals it is meant to harm you


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over 100 thousand people die each year because they take prescription medication. this is because prescription medications are meant to harm you.


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big pharma gives millions of dollars to politicians because they know that there drugs are dangerous and they have to bribe people to make there drugs legal. There drugs are dangerous because there are meant to harm you.


4
.big pharma corruption started the opioid epidemic. The opioid epidemic destroyed the lives of  soccer moms who says no to illegal drugs but believe legal drugs are safer. this happened because drugs are meant to harm you.


5
.we kill millions of babies inside abortion clinics. they do not even call them babies but fetus. this is the work of pharmakeai sorcerers.

6
.we play the I'm not crazy game with our children we play this game because pharmaceuticals are meant to harm you. while they claim to be helping us they treat them like experiment animals.


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and prescription drugs are more dangerous than illegal drugs. this is because prescription drugs are meant to harm you


8
prescription medication is the number 1 reason for overdose beating out illegal drugs. this is because it is meant to hurt you


9
.we put aborted babies in our vaccines. we do this because vaccines are meant to harm you.
but we are flooded by fake news like this one done by ABC. were they say the aborted babies are not harmful and even the future catholic pope approves of it. disgusting abc even claims it does not interfere with the disgusting catholic bible.

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and can we safely ignore those people who claim to perform magical rituals in abortion clinics

11
.the world health association symbol is a snake on a stick
this is because it is meant to harm you and it is snake oil.

12
one of the evidence for the fema cam conspiracy theory is one of the medical code in Obama care sanctions death by guillotines. This is because it is meant to harm you.

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prescription medication usually has a long list of side effects for example Prozac causes yellow eyes and skin and thought of suicide and 120 plus other things. These side effect that have nothing to do with what the drug is treating. and have no way of coming naturally unless they were designed to do such

14
some mass shooting were caused because the shooter was taking prescription drugs and suffered from the side effect  suicide thought or actions.
over 1500 hundred cases

15
they put prescription drugs in our tap water. These pharmaceuticals have absurd side effects. They put prescription drugs in our water to hurt us. The reason you need a prescription to get these drugs is because the drugs are dangerous. so why is it in our tap water. available to everyone. Unless it is meant to harm.

here is just one of them look at the side effects

for the sake of space lets talk about only one of the side effects of these drugs
Atenolol


side effects of atenolol.

    Blurred vision
    cold hands or feet
    confusion
    difficult or labored breathing
    dizziness, faintness, or lightheadedness when getting up from a lying or sitting position suddenly
    shortness of breath
    sweating
    tightness in chest
    unusual tiredness or weakness
    wheezing


    Anxiety
    chest pain or discomfort
    chills
    cold sweats
    cough
    dizziness or lightheadedness
    fainting
    fast heartbeat
    leg pain
    noisy breathing
    slow or irregular heartbeat
    sudden shortness of breath or troubled breathing

    Bloody urine
    decreased frequency or amount of urine
    increased blood pressure
    increased thirst
    loss of appetite
    lower back or side pain
    nausea
    swelling of face, fingers, or lower legs
    vomiting
    weight gain


    Black, tarry stools
    bleeding gums
    blood in urine or stools
    blurred or loss of vision
    bone or joint pain
    disturbed color perception
    double vision
    feeling that others are watching you or controlling your behavior
    feeling that others can hear your thoughts
    feeling, seeing, or hearing things that are not there
    fever
    halos around lights
    night blindness
    overbright appearance of lights
    paleness or cold feeling in fingertips and toes
    pinpoint red or purple spots on skin
    severe mood or mental changes
    skin irritation or rash, including rash that looks like psoriasis
    skin rash, hives, or itching
    sore throat
    swollen or painful glands
    tingling or pain in fingers or toes when exposed to cold
    tunnel vision
    unusual behavior
    unusual bleeding or bruising


    Anxiety
    coma
    cool, pale skin
    depression
    dilated neck veins
    extreme fatigue
    headache
    increased hunger
    irregular breathing
    nervousness
    nightmares
    seizures
    shakiness
    slurred speech
    unusual drowsiness, dullness, tiredness, weakness, or feeling of sluggishness




what if someone suffer from side effect from the drug Atenolol being put in the water

lets talk about the worst offenders here.
what if someone suffers from
"sudden shortness of breath or troubled breathing"because they added atenolol to the water.


our water can cause us to stop breathing because someone added a pharmaceutical drug to it let that sink in.

what if someone who drinks water suffers from the side effects

    feeling that others are watching you or controlling your behavior
    feeling that others can hear your thoughts
    feeling, seeing, or hearing things that are not there

because they are adding pharmaceutical drugs to our water




Published:
Definitions:
My opponent has not provided any key definitions in the debate description, so I will do so myself. The following definitions all come from Merriam-Webster:
 
  • Pharmaceutical – a medicinal drug.
  • Designed – created, executed, or constructed according to plan.
  • Kill – to deprive of life. 
In future debates, I ask my opponent to define key terms in the debate description, since not doing so often causes confusion and is very unhelpful. Thank you.
 
 
Pharmakeai & Pharmakon:
The words pharmakeai and pharmakon are not English words, they are Greek words. For this reason, it is unfair to conclude that pharmaceuticals are witchcraft just because similar-sounding words with that meaning exist in a different language. For example, in German, the English word gift actually means poison! But it would be illogical to conclude that all gifts are poisonous just because the Germans mean poison when they say “gift”, right?
 
Furthermore, my opponent is being intellectually dishonest by ignoring the definitions provided by his own sources. If we look at them, we can see that their first definition for pharmakeia is actually “the use or the administering of drugs”! My opponent literally removed the definition he did not like and then used all the following ones which proved his point. Nitpicking definitions is never a good idea, so I suggest that my opponent does not do things like that in future debates.
 
 
Rebuttals:

"pharmaceuticals are the 4th leading cause of death . this is because pharmaceuticals it is meant to harm you" 
 The source that my opponent provided, Collective Evolution, is a conspiracy pseudoscience website with very low factual reporting. MediaBiasFactCheck, one of the most respectable factchecking websites on the Internet, rates Collective Evolution as "a quackery level pseudoscience website based on promoting miracle cures, anti-vaxx propaganda and 9/11 conspiracies"[1]. If you were to actually read CE's article, you would see that they provide no statistics whatsoever to support the claim that pharmaceuticals are the 4th leading cause of death in the world. Their entire "evidence" consists of a made-up sob story about some woman named Kerstin who has issues with her bladder.

 "over 100 thousand people die each year because they take prescription medication. this is because prescription medications are meant to harm you."
Again, this claim comes from another very questionable source. MediaBiasFactCheck rates NewsPunch as a "click bait news website that promotes extreme right wing conspiracy theories and pseudoscience misinformation" [2]. They provide no link for their claim that over 100 thousand people die annually from prescription medication, so according to Hitchens's razor [3], this claim can be dismissed.


"big pharma gives millions of dollars to politicians because they know that there drugs are dangerous and they have to bribe people to make there drugs legal. There drugs are dangerous because there are meant to harm you."
The article my opponent provides makes no mention about whether pharmaceuticals are harmful or not, it only points out that pharmaceutical companies donate a lot of money to politicians. It is irrational to conclude that pharmaceutical companies are deliberately selling poisonous drugs just because they have an interest in politics. According to my opponent's logic, all companies that donate money to political campaigns must be doing something illegal... or maybe companies just want politicians to give them benefits and tax cuts?


"big pharma corruption started the opioid epidemic. The opioid epidemic destroyed the lives of  soccer moms who says no to illegal drugs but believe legal drugs are safer. this happened because drugs are meant to harm you."
The article my opponent provided is very poorly written, but from what I understand, the author is angry at Big Pharma because they prescribed people opioid painkillers. While this was a factor in the opioid epidemic, it does not mean that pharmaceuticals deliberately started the epidemic, and in no way does it mean that drugs are meant to harm you. Concluding that drugs are meant to harm you because doctors prescribe people painkillers is a Non Sequitur logical fallacy.


"we kill millions of babies inside abortion clinics. they do not even call them babies but fetus. this is the work of pharmakeai sorcerers."
This is irrelevant to the claim that pharmaceuticals are meant to kill you. We are talking about medicine, not abortions. 


"we play the I'm not crazy game with our children we play this game because pharmaceuticals are meant to harm you. while they claim to be helping us they treat them like experiment animals."
My opponent should explain what the "I'm not crazy game" even is and how he can conclude from that game that pharmaceutical companies are treating us like rab lats. 


"and prescription drugs are more dangerous than illegal drugs. this is because prescription drugs are meant to harm you"
The article my opponent provides does not exist. That's because the claim that prescription drugs are more dangerous than illegal drugs is simply not true, and no self-respecting website like Psychology Today would ever make such a claim.


"prescription medication is the number 1 reason for overdose beating out illegal drugs. this is because it is meant to hurt you"
An overdose happens when you take too much of some substance, it is not the fault of the substance itself. In a large enough quantity, everything is poisonous, even water, but I'm sure my opponent would agree that water is not designed to kill us. Blaming the drugs themselves instead of the people who aciddentally took too much of them is absurd.


"we put aborted babies in our vaccines. we do this because vaccines are meant to harm you."
This is a Non Sequitur logical fallacy. The fact that there are fragments of aborted fetuses in some vaccines does not mean that vaccines are meant to harm you. In order for this argument to make logical sense, my opponent would first have to prove that using aborted fetuses in vaccines is harmful.


"and can we safely ignore those people who claim to perform magical rituals in abortion clinics"
The source my opponent provides, StillnessInTheStorm, is a "news and opinion blog with over-the-top tin foil hat conspiracy theories"[4]. Their article provides no evidence and is most likely made up. According to Hitchens's razor, this article can be dismissed.


"the world health association symbol is a snake on a stick"
The WHO's symbol has nothing to do with snake oil. The stick represents the rod of Asclepius, the ancient Greek god of life and medicine. The snake represents rejuvination, since snakes shed their skin and "rejuvinate" that way [5].


"one of the evidence for the fema cam conspiracy theory is one of the medical code in Obama care sanctions death by guillotines. This is because it is meant to harm you."
Before Its News is a conspiracy and fake news website written by random citizens without any credentials. Furthermore, the FEMA conspiracy is completely irrelevant to our current discussion.


"prescription medication usually has a long list of side effects for example Prozac causes yellow eyes and skin and thought of suicide and 120 plus other things. These side effect that have nothing to do with what the drug is treating. and have no way of coming naturally unless they were designed to do such"
Prescription medicine has side effects because the body often uses the same chemical to regulate more than one process, so medicine might re-adjust one balance and unintentionally disrupt the other [6]. This is simply how medication works, it's wrong to conclude that doctors want to murder us because of the side effects of taking pharmaceuticals.


"some mass shooting were caused because the shooter was taking prescription drugs and suffered from the side effect  suicide thought or actions."
The source my opponent provided, CCHR, is sponsored and run by the Church of Scientology [7]. It's very ironic that my opponent is using sources from an organization that he and other Christians absolutely despise. Regardless of the irony, CCHR is a pseudoscientific website that should not be taken seriously, and the article that my opponent provided had no sources to confirm their claims.


"they put prescription drugs in our tap water. These pharmaceuticals have absurd side effects. They put prescription drugs in our water to hurt us. The reason you need a prescription to get these drugs is because the drugs are dangerous. so why is it in our tap water. available to everyone. Unless it is meant to harm."
These prescription drugs are in tap water because some people flush unneeded medication down toilets, not because the evil government is poisoning what we drink. These traces are very tiny and are virtually harmless [8]. Furthermore, has PRO never thought that the owners and employees of pharmaceuticals drink that water as well? Why would they want to poison something which they themselves consume?


Conclusion:
PRO's entire case consists of questionable sources from pseudoscientific fake news websites that should not be taken seriously. Unfortunately, I have ran out of space for this round, so I will present my other arguments in the second round. Over to PRO.


Sources:




Round 2
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Con conceded.Atheist left debate art to finish school. I will do a rebuttal in round 3 Not feeling it right now
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Round 3
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No they are active putting pharmaceuticals in the water. Just like how they spray bipolar medication over large groups  of people.
Again, this claim comes from another very questionable source. MediaBiasFactCheck rates NewsPunch as a "click bait news website that promotes extreme right wing conspiracy theories and pseudoscience misinformation" [2]. They provide no link for their claim that over 100 thousand people die annually from prescription medication, so according to Hitchens's razor [3], this claim can be dismissed
Just because conspiracy theory's and right wingers have different opinions does not make them unreliable


The article my opponent provides makes no mention about whether pharmaceuticals are harmful or not
That was not the point. pharmaceutical bribe politicians because they know it is dangerous



he article my opponent provided is very poorly written, but from what I understand, the author is angry at Big Pharma because they prescribed people opioid painkillers. While this was a factor in the opioid epidemic, it does not mean that pharmaceuticals deliberately started the epidemic, and in no way does it mean that drugs are meant to harm you. Concluding that drugs are meant to harm you because doctors prescribe people painkillers is a Non Sequitur logical fallacy

opioids are killing millions. Because they are dangerous. Because pharmacuticals are based off a word that means poison means there doing it on purpose.


This is irrelevant to the claim that pharmaceuticals are meant to kill you. We are talking about medicine, not abortions. 
We were talking about pharmaceuticals



My opponent should explain what the "I'm not crazy game" even is and how he can conclude from that game that pharmaceutical companies are treating us like rab lats.
Go to the mentally ill section in a school.They are talked to like dogs.They can think clearly. They are mean and treat them like dogs



The article my opponent provides does not exist. That's because the claim that prescription drugs are more dangerous than illegal drugs is simply not true, and no self-respecting website like Psychology Today would ever make such a claim.
The did make the claim. i deleted one of the things by accident.Here is another one
An overdose happens when you take too much of some substance, it is not the fault of the substance itself. In a large enough quantity, everything is poisonous, even water, but I'm sure my opponent would agree that water is not designed to kill us. Blaming the drugs themselves instead of the people who aciddentally took too much of them is absurd.
It is doctors prescribing to much sorcery. Not patients


This is a Non Sequitur logical fallacy. The fact that there are fragments of aborted fetuses in some vaccines does not mean that vaccines are meant to harm you. In order for this argument to make logical sense, my opponent would first have to prove that using aborted fetuses in vaccines is harmful.

Con is defending aborted babies in vaccines. Aborted babies in vaccines is wrong. They do it to hurt us. Kuru disease is why it is harmful

The source my opponent provides, StillnessInTheStorm, is a "news and opinion blog with over-the-top tin foil hat conspiracy theories"[4]. Their article provides no evidence and is most likely made up. According to Hitchens's razor, this article can be dismissed.

your debating conspiracy theory so of course i use conspiracy sites.

The WHO's symbol has nothing to do with snake oil. The stick represents the rod of Asclepius, the ancient Greek god of life and medicine. The snake represents rejuvination, since snakes shed their skin and "rejuvinate" that way

hermes was evil


Before Its News is a conspiracy and fake news website written by random citizens without any credentials. Furthermore, the FEMA conspiracy is completely irrelevant to our current discussion.
Just because it is conspiracy does not make it unreliable.All articles are written by random people. It is we as people who decides who is expert in certain fields


Prescription medicine has side effects because the body often uses the same chemical to regulate more than one process, so medicine might re-adjust one balance and unintentionally disrupt the other [6]. This is simply how medication works, it's wrong to conclude that doctors want to murder us because of the side effects of taking pharmaceuticals.

To many side effects not all could occur naturally. They have been programmed in.


The source my opponent provided, CCHR, is sponsored and run by the Church of Scientology [7]. It's very ironic that my opponent is using sources from an organization that he and other Christians absolutely despise.
So you agree with my claim that "some mass shooting were caused because the shooter was taking prescription drugs and suffered from the side effect  suicide thought or actions.". I do not disagree with someone ideas just because i disagree on a certain subject. I do not 100 percent support trump. 10 percent of the stuff he does i disagree with. If someone says god is not real i disagree with him but if he says apples are red. Do i have to disagree with them.





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life expectancy has double in the past 100 years due to modern medicine you dolt could you be more stupid? please try i need a good laugh
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then why are people living longer?
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Its a new thing apparently
https://www.cnn.com/2014/05/01/world/from-toilet-to-tap-water/index.html
i don't want to put my rebuttal here yet. so i will say no more
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Tap water is processed toilet water. Most drug particles in toilet water are removed, but a few pass the processing and get into tap water. Or did you never know that before?
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:"These prescription drugs are in tap water because some people flush unneeded medication down toilets,"
toilet water is tap water. I feel bad for you guys. So many factors that determines ones intelligence
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Sorry about the bad grammar. I wrote this before i started to crack down on that kind of stuff. I did not think when i copied and pasted
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Forfeit. REEEEEEE
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