God created Morality
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stuff like this can happen.
"Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the LORD your God is giving you."
https://www.biblestudytools.com/gnta/passage/?q=deuteronomy+28;+deuteronomy+29;+deuteronomy+30;+deuteronomy+31;+deuteronomy+32
Most of these deaths were not due to starvation or disease, but to severe emotional and sensorial deprivation – in other words, a lack of love. These babies were fed and medically treated, but they were absolutely deprived of important stimulation, especially touch and affection.
Losing a loved one really can cause someone to die from a broken heart, scientists claim.
Absolutely…Acute stress is the leading cause of sudden death, especially in young healthy people with no evidence of coronary disease. But it can fell people at any age. My grandmother is an example.
Life is too short and precious to hold on to old grudges. Learning how to let go and forgive may add years to your life and make the years you have left a lot more productive. (You might even notice fewer wrinkles from frowning.) Studies show that forgiveness leads to better physical, psychological, and spiritual well-being. Benefits include lower blood pressure, less depression, less stress, and less anxiety.
"Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the LORD your God is giving you."
Who is the man who desires life And loves length of days that he may see good?
"If you walk in My ways, keeping My statutes and commandments, as your father David walked, then I will prolong your days."
so that you and your son and your grandson might fear the LORD your God, to keep all His statutes and His commandments which I command you, all the days of your life, and that your days may be prolonged.
The fear of the LORD prolongs life, But the years of the wicked will be shortened.
That is still true: Depending on one's age at the time of the annuity, annuitants on the average live 2-5 years longer than the general population
So, how do they link anger and mortality? “Prior work has linked anger with a variety of negative physiological processes, including atherosclerosis and endothelial dysfunction,” the researchers say, both serious diseases which can impair health and result in a heart attack.
Other health benefits that are correlated with loving and caring relationships include a stronger immune system, faster healing, better cardiovascular health, and less depression and substance abuse. But it's still not clear if the loving relationship causes these beneficial outcomes or if people with all these characteristics are more likely to be in a satisfactory relationship.
Giving is good for our health. A wide range of research has linked different forms of generosity to better health, even among the sick and elderly. In his book Why Good Things Happen to Good People, Stephen Post, a professor of preventative medicine at Stony Brook University, reports that giving to others has been shown to increase health benefits in people with chronic illness, including HIV and multiple sclerosis.
Stephanie Brown of the University of Michigan saw similar results in a 2003 study on elderly couples. She and her colleagues found that those individuals who provided practical help to friends, relatives, or neighbors, or gave emotional support to their spouses, had a lower risk of dying over a five-year period than those who didn’t.
Pro asserts that loving others prolongs one’s lifespan, yet his own source states:“But it's still not clear if the loving relationship causes these beneficial outcomes or if people with all these characteristics are more likely to be in a satisfactory relationship.”
Moreover, Pro’s sources regarding anger and lying do not articulate that the action itself is deadly, but rather the psychological effects that come with the stress of both of the actions. It is akin to me stating that “exams can kill”, because they cause one to be stressed, which can lead to further problems, but it would be dishonest for me to state that it were the exam itself that was the cause.
God’s ‘moral system’ is ontologically committed to God – without empirical evidence of God’s existence Pro’s argument holds no weight. Pro still has not demonstrated God's, nor moral law’s existence. To repeat, Pro’s argument is circular; because God exists, moral law exists, and because moral law exists, God exists. This is fallacious argumentation and ought to be rejected. Pro requires empirical substantiation of his claims. To assert moral law exists by virtue of a divine creator first requires evidence of the creator.
Over to Pro.
As pro is making the wide claim, he has the burden of proof.
Pro, in my view, has to provide an explanation as to what facets of morality cannot be explained by anything other than a supreme diety, preferably in contrast to other ubiquitous explanations. There must be an attempt to provide a case as to why these properties are likely unexplainable by any other mechanisms due to their nature.
Pro doesn’t attempt to do this, and instead mostly just holds up a set of facts and then says God did it. Con does well in this debate by pointing out this is the case with the minimum number of words possible.
As a result, pro doesn’t come close to upholding his burden of proof. Pro appears to explicitly assert morality exists and is created by God, then offers a series of anecdotes that do not warrant the claim.(if you’re sad you die younger, stress is harmful, you live longer if you “obey god”). These seem completely unrelated to the contention pro is offering.
As a result of this - arguments must go to con.
Pro didn't really provide much of a case. He simply used circular logic to argue that 2 unproven things must be true.
Pro at best rises to the level of circular reasoning, in a case that ends up no more claiming God created emotions than emotions created God.
Con repeatedly asks pro to prove the existence of either core concept (morality existing is a given, but this mysterious and undefined "moral law" does not), but pro refuses to even attempt this.
Thanks for the advice!
I recommend replacing “is ontologically committed to” with “assumes.” I find that easy-to-understand language is better debate strategy.
anthropology shows that morality predates religion thats not to disprove the existence of god, just to remind you that all religious texts were written by men based on long dead religions that came before morality in the bible predates the abrahamic religions we know that by studying ancient texts.
Cool lets save it for the debate
I have nothing against you either. We are just discussing a topic. But if you want to save this discussion for the debate, I will do that. But before our conversation ends, I would like to say just one thing:
When people say "Evolution is a theory, not a fact", it really pisses me off. A theory in science is not a random guess (that would be a hypothesis). A theory in science is higher than a fact, because a theory explains why facts are true or false. For example: the theory of gravity. It's a fact that objects with a density higher than air fall when we let go of them, and the theory of gravity explains why that happens. Similarly, it's a fact that animals have random mutations which give them a higher chance of survival, but evolution itself explains why that happens. If you say that evolution is "just a theory", are you saying that gravity is "just a theory" as well?
I am tired of this. I have nothing against you. Evolution is a theory not a fact.That is why it is called the Evolutionary theory. I have given you my reasons on why morale are biological. Can we just save this discussion for the debate you accepted.
"We are not animals."
Actually, we are. Humans are part of the Animal Kingdom.
"Survival of the fittest and natural selection are not in play."
Actually, they are. Evolution is a proven scientific fact.
"But the moral system God created is."
You have not proved that such a moral system exists, you have not proved that God exists, and you have not proved that God is responsible for that moral system. So please, continue.
we are not animals. Survival of the fittest and natural selections are not in play. But the Morale system god created is
morality is a biological thing
So far, your argument has been that love and good behaviour result in a longer and happier life. However, this does not prove that morality is objective and it does not prove that morality has been created by God.
this is not a troll debate
Good luck on this troll debate.