Is being gay ok?
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If homosexuality is fine, then why did our many ancestors before us not support it?
AIDS and depression can affect the person and possibly be life-threatening
If Freddie Mercury did not die of pneumonia from AIDS in 1991, Queen could have been a very popular band in the 90's and early 2000's, and perhaps even now.
Imagine telling your seven year old kid, who really likes We Are the Champions and Another One Bites the Dust, that the lead singer of Queen died from an illness from being romantically involved with other guys.
He, because of his selfish actions, devastated that little kid and many other Queen fans around the world.
Also everyone says that homosexuality is not a choice is wrong.
Race is not a choice. Gender is not a choice. Being born premature or very late is not a choice. However, religion, your political views, and who you are attracted to (if anybody) are all not choices (even though they can be strongly guided from those who are close to you.
Many of our ancestors supported slavery. Should we say slavery is ok?
Depression is a problem that isn't specific to being gay.AIDS is a transmitted disease that can come through anal. Are you opposed to anal if straight partners do it?Since AIDS is also a problem with straight people you would be against straight couples because they can negatively impact the people around them.
We ought to value happiness more than some Biblical commandments because Biblical commandment leave people feeling unhappy like gay people. I advocate for a system that allows everyone to be free to do what they want not be restricted thus become unhappy.
Imagine telling a black kid you are still impacted from what occurred during slavery
Stop telling people what they like to do and when they like to do it.
Queen died of illness
Are you that kid?
unless of course they can make a good argument against homosexual acts but I haven't seen that yet
No, I'm not saying that, but what what about all the good things our ancestors taught us- moral values, teaching us how to make things, not to mention teaching us how to survive. Overall, the good outways the bad so I think we can trust them until we can realistically prove otherwise
I am aware that depression and AIDS are not gay-only things, but there are many gay-related depressions and in fact, most time AIDS are from homosexual contact.
Okay, what if some people want slavery in this "do what they want...not be...unhappy" system. Oh wait, the slaves and other people (including me), likeabolitionists, wouldn't like that.
In what way are black people still impacted from what occurred during slavery.
You can't (legally) make them do hard labor jobs in whatever kind of weather and not pay them. You can't whip them or beat them or even kill them. You can't buy or sell them. You can't make them your property,
Isn't that how laws are made?
For killing someone from AIDS via blood transfusion, they should be charged with involuntary manslaughter.
I was very confused by this, but I think I finally think I understand. Just for clarification Queen is not Freddie Mercury's title, like Prince, it was the band he was in.
No, I was just trying to give an example and make you feel more personal to what I'm saying.
What about the fact that males were given penises and females were given vaginas, and the point of sex is reproduction.
What about the fact that God made man and woman different so that they could be together.
What about AIDS killing people.
What about society, being twisted by an idea that was never even thought of at the beginning of time (whether you believe the Big Bang theory and that we came from monkeys, or a religious idea, or whatever).
I really like this debate so far and I'm excited to hear what you have to say next.
Here you started by saying I am not for slavery then you say we ought to adopt what our ancestors did which would contradict your earlier statement of not supporting slavery. I am going to for you are pro slavery so your moral system doesn't care about human lives instead your selfish wants I think supported by Catholics. Human property should be shunned. People should be allow to be sexually active with whomever can consent too.
But there are many straight related depressions and AIDS. Should we ban straight sex? No so think of a better point.
Something called inheritance. Since their ancestors had less money. Less money was given to them. I had an analogy yet you didn't engage with it.
That is under the assumption we ought to reproduce. Can you prove to us why we ought to do it?
God does not exist. Please see my debate unless of course you have proof. Well I am all ears.
What about guns killing people are you for banning guns?
I am not at all for slavery and, in fact, find it very offensive that you think I am pro slavery.
So I can now see you don't have an actual reason that homosexuality is not okay besides people should be able to do what they want.
Please give me an example of why it is ok besides this.
I'm also offended that you said I have no moral system even though I probably have a better one than you. It's called the Ten Commandments.
This is from https://hab.hrsa.gov/about-ryan-white-hivaids-program/who-was-ryan-white. How is not wanting this 13-year old kid to die selfish. I guess you support kids and teens dying? Hmm, I'm not sure...
However, (look at pie chart above) most of the time AIDS is from male to male sexual contact.
Also, there are very many gay related depressions.]
Also straight sex is the only way humans can reproduce, and unless you want the human race to fall because of some greedy gay people, You should think of a better point.
First of all, there is all sorts of white and other races experienced with poverty.
But, you know what works 90%+ of the time to get out of poverty, perseverance and hard work.
There's as much white poverty as black poverty. Third of all, you didn't engage with my analogy and criticized it, so why should I engage in yours.
You honestly want the human race to end, don't you?
"Some men just want to watch the world burn."
No offense, but the stupidity in this statement is well beyond anything I have seen before.
You are the most idiotic, insensitive person I have ever talked to.
"God does not exist". What about all the miracles that have been done in God's name and the saints' names? Oh wait, I guess you don't understand basic FACTS!
Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
There are no gun accidents, only carelessness.
Although, I guess you wouldn't understand if you've never shot a gun.
However, people can also die from themselves, animals, illnesses (thus AIDS), injuries, and medical conditions (like heart attacks).
I can't think of any other examples, but if you can please tell me. No I'm not for banning guns. We are literally in another debate about banning the second amendment. Pay attention.
1. Appeal to tradition
That dead people did not like it, is quickly countered with said dead people supporting slavery. Con tries to extend with special pleading... I don't buy it.
2. Depression
Everyone gets it, and nothing to suggest even a higher rate... so no progress for con here.
3. AIDS
Cons main case, that AIDS exists, and homosexuals can contract it. There's actually a good source (a pie chart) showing that gay males are about three times more likely to contract it, but said chart also agrees with pro's counter that straight people catch it too... This leaves it in a weird realm that to say it's not okay under the arguments offered would be to say being straight is also not ok (way more risks than if asexual).
S&G: Very hard to follow debate due to the quote formatting and lack of headlines.
Conduct: Some insults, but it seemed due to not understanding proper form than intentional disruption to the debate.
Physical would be the baseline.
I guess therapy to determine mental abuse as well.
So physical harm as a bare minimum and mental abuse if therapists have agreed it to be so.
How would you determine if something is harmful to another person? Are you talking just physical harm?
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Could've tagged me sheesh.
>>do you think it's wrong to "use people" for your own pleasure or gratification?
If it is consensual and socially it is not harmful to either party then yes would I think the majority would say to it.
Quick question for everyone, do you think it's wrong to "use people" for your own pleasure or gratification?
It's a simple "yes / no" question.
He said that?
Well I hope he learns how to make better arguments or finds that God doesn't exist.
I feel sorry for you. His ‘God exists because I am offended that you don’t believe in him’ was hard to even read.
Guess so.
Yeah I saw that. Really stupid response.
Let's say for the sake of argument that he is right that our ancestors had more good ideas than bad (it is subjective to a certain extent, so I would be willing to grant him that)... Agreeing with most of what a group says is no reason to feel obligated to agree with the rest as well. If you agree with say 85% percent of what they did then you can still toss out the remaining 15%.
So even accepting his shaky premise without question his conclusion is laughable.
He pretty much said what the ancestors did more good than bad so we should adopt what they did. "but what what about all the good things our ancestors taught us- moral values, teaching us how to make things, not to mention teaching us how to survive. Overall, the good outways the bad so I think we can trust them until we can realistically prove otherwise."
Oh and his response too. Jeez.
If you admit that our ancestors were imperfect and did some good things and some bad things then why try to use their opinion on things as justification for anything? Just look at each individual thing on it's own, it doesn't matter what people of the past thought.
This fucking guy!
Damn lol I guess you did, I didn't even read the debate. It is a pretty obvious route to go though. The argument "X used to be considered good or bad and therefore should still be considered good or bad" is incredibly nonsensical.
Hey I tried that!
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Ok, let me ask you a question. If democracy is fine, then why did our many ancestors before us not support it?
Sorry it wouldn't let me send them in picture form.
Basically: Male to male sexual contact 67 or 68%; Heterosexual sexual contact: 23 or 24%; Injection drug use: 6%; Male to male sexual contact and injection drug use: 3%.
Sorry about forgetting the pie charts that I mentioned. Here they are.
<img src="https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/images/basics/statistics/cdc-new-hiv-infections-by-transmissions-category-2015-large.png" alt="Image result for causes of aids pie chart"/>
<img src="https://www.valleyaids.org/images/statistics-basics-new-infections-by-category-2015.png" alt="Image result for causes of aids pie chart"/>
Alex Jones is a conspiracy theorist who was covering a story on the government putting chemicals in the water that was making the frogs gay.
I agree with you
No I have no idea what that is.
is your profile pic the gay frogs spoken of in legend by the legendary Alex Jones himself.
Being gay would suck because the majority of humanity won't accept you.
Not sure if child or troll
I think this person didn't really think things through. Oh well.
Lol okay. I never really understood these debates about being gay to be honest. At least policy-wise. I could see an argument like "Catholicism should allow gay marriage" or something, but this is just dumb.
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