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The US is dropping to the bottom half of desirable developed countries to live in


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Short Description again: I'll argue that the US is becoming one of the worst places to live in the developed world, and will do so within the century, you'll argue it is not.
No Kritik, the terms in the title will have the most common terms for the context they are being used in.
Round Structure:
R1: Acceptance, definitions, may state a thesis with claims with no evidence or logic supporting any claims. Can also just waive this round.
R2: Argue for your position
R3: Rebuttals
R4: Counters to rebuttals
R5: Concluding remarks, compare and contrast our major points, state which arguments you think outweighs the others.
Round 1
All definitions of words I'll have will by default be the common sense definitions based on the context of my argument. I don't foresee any terms needing to be defined.


The United States of America is becoming an undesirable place to live, and these indicators point to this conclusion:

1) The net migration to the United States is currently declining.

2) Immigrants are more likely than ever to rate their home country as equally or more desirable than the United States.

3) Millions of people are only able to afford the cost of living by going into debt. In other words, people in the US simply can't afford it anymore. 

4) Many OECD countries are now ranking superiorly to the United States in many categories that they did not before, such as health care, education, happiness and overall well-being, and standard and cost of living.

5) The life expectancy of Americans has been declining for a few years now for the first time in nearly a century.

6) It is not likely these trends are going to reverse, which I'll provide reasons why in the next round. 

My opponent may now state their contentions, unsubstantiated, as I've done here. Remember: round 2 will be when we provide evidence and substantiate these claims.
I thank Cogent_Cognizer for having this debate with me today. As I am running short on time (I literally forgot about this until now, lol), I will go through a brief overview of the countries that I will be comparing the US to.

As my opponent has specifically stated that the United States is falling to the bottom half of desirable developed countries to live in, I will specifically be comparing the US to other first world countries, as defined by the UN in their 2014 WESP country classification document [1]. 

These are the following countries I will be comparing the US to:
  • Austria 
  • Belgium 
  • Denmark 
  • Finland 
  • France 
  • Germany 
  • Greece 
  • Ireland 
  • Italy 
  • Luxembourg 
  • Netherlands 
  • Portugal 
  • Spain 
  • Sweden 
  • United Kingdom 
  • Bulgaria 
  • Croatia 
  • Cyprus 
  • Czech Republic 
  • Estonia 
  • Hungary 
  • Latvia
  • Lithuania 
  • Malta 
  • Poland 
  • Romania 
  • Slovakia 
  • Slovenia 
  • Iceland 
  • Norway 
  • Switzerland 
  • Australia 
  • Canada 
  • Japan 
  • New Zealand 
I will present my full argument next round.

Round 2
I find it unfortunate that Pro has forfeited the first round. I sincerely hope that we can still continue this debate, but if not, then I wish Pro the best of luck in life. With that said, I will provide Pro with one more round to substantiate his arguments. For this round, I will clarify how I will formulate my argument.

My burden of proof is to show that the United States is not rapidly falling into the bottom half of the developed countries in the world, in terms of livability. For each indicator, I will show that:
  • The United States is not in the bottom half of the countries in each indicator listed in the previous round; and
  • That The United States is not rapidly falling in terms of rankings. This means that the US is either maintaining or improving its score for each of the indicators.
Also, as I forgot to provide a source for the list of developed countries, I will do so now:

Round 3
I concede this debate, due to lack of free time.

I apologize to you Press, I'm sure you were looking forward to debating this. I do promise, perhaps we can come back to this another time, but I'm 99% positive I won't have time for at least 3 months, which by that time, all the rounds of this debate would be over. So yeah, I'll post when I can remember that I forfeit each round. 

Well, I was looking forward to this debate. Nonetheless, it was good talking to you, and I hope we can restart this debate at a later date!
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we suck no health care program too many guns and too many junkies
--> @PressF4Respect
My apologies for not posting in time. To be honest, I didn't expect how hectic my first couple weeks at school would be for me.
I did honestly want to finish out this last debate, but I really don't think that is going to happen at this point. My days are taken up almost entirely by school-related activities alone, and the little time I have left has to be used for health-related issues.
I'm going to forfeit this debate and concede to you due to I simply don't think I can do this right now. Perhaps another time. I do have half of my contentions written, and perhaps when I find I have enough time, I can complete them and we can do this over again if you're interested. Just go ahead and post that I've stated I'll forfeit and I'll follow in the next round with a confirmation that I am conceding.
Someone wrote an article and talked about how "America is rotting from the inside out, and peaceful means to stop this seem to be nearly impossible. The inconvenient truth is that our leaders, both Democrat AND Republican, have been failing us for decades. They are either complacent or involved in one of the biggest betrayals of the American public in our history. The takeover of the United States government by unchecked corporations. I could write a ten page essay on all the damage these corporations have caused, but here is what is important. Due to the death of the baby boomers, the increasingly anti-immigrant rhetoric of the right and the ever increasing Hispanic population, America will soon become a one party-state. The Democrat party will own America and they know it. They have already begun the transition by pandering heavily to the Hispanic voting bloc in the 1st Democratic Debate. They intend to use open borders, free healthcare for illegals, citizenship and more to enact a political coup by importing and then legalizing millions of new voters. With policies like these, the Hispanic support for Democrats will likely become nearly unanimous in the future. The heavy Hispanic population in Texas will make us a Democrat stronghold. Losing Texas and a few other states with heavy Hispanic population to the Democrats is all it would take for them to win nearly every presidential election."
This could suggest that the United States is indeed becoming a worse place to live, but I could be wrong.
--> @Cogent_Cognizer
No problem!
Don't worry if your argument is longer and/or takes more time than expected. I often find myself doing the same, lol.
I'll keep your tactic in mind, but it probably wouldn't affect my opening argument. Besides, addressing points that the opponent brought up which you didn't is the whole point of a rebuttal.
All in all, I look forward to reading your opening argument!
--> @Speedrace
Also, since I referenced our old debate in comment 14 below this one, figured I should tag you in case you're interested in this debate.
--> @PressF4Respect
Thanks for the kind words!
Also, I'm finding myself doing a lot more research than I anticipated, partly because I find info that's even better than what I previously researched, and partly because I'm getting genuinely too interested in this lol.
I may need to amend what I said earlier about having R2 up within those four days. I hope to not take any longer than an additional 2-3 days. But given this is my opening argument, and where I'm presenting pretty much all of my supporting evidence, this is understandably taking a lot of time.
As a sneak-peak/hint to some tactics I'm using. once more I'll have evidence that initially would support your position in a number of my contentions so far in my opening. However, I'll be providing a different interpretation(along with facts to support that interpretation) OR show why these facts are not as relevant and present other info that is more relevant which supports my position, as I've done before in this debate below with Speedrace:
Just thought I'd give you a warning lol. Once I have my opening arguments up, be sure to read it carefully to make sure I haven't already addressed a fact you may bring up in round 2. This is the advantage I suppose of going after me. You can adjust your opening arguments upon seeing mine.
--> @Cogent_Cognizer
I sincerely hope that your health issues get better, and that you do well in school. If you're too pressed on time, or you don't feel well, then don't sweat it. But other than that, I hope to make your final debate a memorable one!
--> @PressF4Respect
Glad to see I still have time for this myself. I did announce I was leaving this site, but I don't like the idea of leaving a debate open like this and forfeiting. So while I am extremely busy with dealing with health issues and upcoming school things(as mentioned in that forum post), I think I have enough time to spend time on this website for at least this one last debate.
Feel privileged I decided to make an exception to my announcement in the forums for you lol. After this, I am probably going to be off of this for quite some time. I will try to have my R2 arguments up within 4 days(96 hours) from this comment. Each round thereafter, though, I probably can't be as timely, but we have 2 weeks for each round, so even with my busy schedule that's coming up, this should be enough time
Oh shoot, I was too focused on the wording of my contentions, I forgot to mention I'll permit google docs and other outside ways of posting your arguments, but with a character limit of 20k.
Go ahead and state that in round 1 if you want, and I'll agree to it in R2(hopefully, if I don't get distracted again lol)
--> @Cogent_Cognizer
I am completely fine with that. Look forward to a good debate!
--> @PressF4Respect
Better yet, we can definitely say that sources won't count towards the limit, so we could put our sources in the comments or something for each round and I could state something in the first round indicating that is where we are putting our sources. I think our physical argument without sources should have the 15k cap though.
Edit: though, on second thought, the way to solve that is to link to the sources with words you say in the argument. That's what I do. I hyperlink key words of my claim that needs to be cited.
--> @PressF4Respect
If you change your mind about the character limit, I'm willing to allow Google Docs or some other method of posting your arguments, but we will have to agree to some other character limit. I think I'd only be willing to extend it to 20k at most. Beyond that, and I feel most people wouldn't read it.
--> @Christen
That's what I'll be stating in Round 1.
--> @Cogent_Cognizer
Eh, I might as well accept it now.
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