The US is dropping to the bottom half of desirable developed countries to live in


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Short Description again: I'll argue that the US is becoming one of the worst places to live in the developed world, and will do so within the century, you'll argue it is not.
No Kritik, the terms in the title will have the most common terms for the context they are being used in.
Round Structure:
R1: Acceptance, definitions, may state a thesis with claims with no evidence or logic supporting any claims. Can also just waive this round.
R2: Argue for your position
R3: Rebuttals
R4: Counters to rebuttals
R5: Concluding remarks, compare and contrast our major points, state which arguments you think outweighs the others.
Round 1
All definitions of words I'll have will by default be the common sense definitions based on the context of my argument. I don't foresee any terms needing to be defined.


The United States of America is becoming an undesirable place to live, and these indicators point to this conclusion:

1) The net migration to the United States is currently declining.

2) Immigrants are more likely than ever to rate their home country as equally or more desirable than the United States.

3) Millions of people are only able to afford the cost of living by going into debt. In other words, people in the US simply can't afford it anymore. 

4) Many OECD countries are now ranking superiorly to the United States in many categories that they did not before, such as health care, education, happiness and overall well-being, and standard and cost of living.

5) The life expectancy of Americans has been declining for a few years now for the first time in nearly a century.

6) It is not likely these trends are going to reverse, which I'll provide reasons why in the next round. 

My opponent may now state their contentions, unsubstantiated, as I've done here. Remember: round 2 will be when we provide evidence and substantiate these claims.
I thank Cogent_Cognizer for having this debate with me today. As I am running short on time (I literally forgot about this until now, lol), I will go through a brief overview of the countries that I will be comparing the US to.

As my opponent has specifically stated that the United States is falling to the bottom half of desirable developed countries to live in, I will specifically be comparing the US to other first world countries, as defined by the UN in their 2014 WESP country classification document [1]. 

These are the following countries I will be comparing the US to:
  • Austria 
  • Belgium 
  • Denmark 
  • Finland 
  • France 
  • Germany 
  • Greece 
  • Ireland 
  • Italy 
  • Luxembourg 
  • Netherlands 
  • Portugal 
  • Spain 
  • Sweden 
  • United Kingdom 
  • Bulgaria 
  • Croatia 
  • Cyprus 
  • Czech Republic 
  • Estonia 
  • Hungary 
  • Latvia
  • Lithuania 
  • Malta 
  • Poland 
  • Romania 
  • Slovakia 
  • Slovenia 
  • Iceland 
  • Norway 
  • Switzerland 
  • Australia 
  • Canada 
  • Japan 
  • New Zealand 
I will present my full argument next round.

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--> @Cogent_Cognizer
No problem!
Don't worry if your argument is longer and/or takes more time than expected. I often find myself doing the same, lol.
I'll keep your tactic in mind, but it probably wouldn't affect my opening argument. Besides, addressing points that the opponent brought up which you didn't is the whole point of a rebuttal.
All in all, I look forward to reading your opening argument!
--> @Speedrace
Also, since I referenced our old debate in comment 14 below this one, figured I should tag you in case you're interested in this debate.
--> @PressF4Respect
Thanks for the kind words!
Also, I'm finding myself doing a lot more research than I anticipated, partly because I find info that's even better than what I previously researched, and partly because I'm getting genuinely too interested in this lol.
I may need to amend what I said earlier about having R2 up within those four days. I hope to not take any longer than an additional 2-3 days. But given this is my opening argument, and where I'm presenting pretty much all of my supporting evidence, this is understandably taking a lot of time.
As a sneak-peak/hint to some tactics I'm using. once more I'll have evidence that initially would support your position in a number of my contentions so far in my opening. However, I'll be providing a different interpretation(along with facts to support that interpretation) OR show why these facts are not as relevant and present other info that is more relevant which supports my position, as I've done before in this debate below with Speedrace:
Just thought I'd give you a warning lol. Once I have my opening arguments up, be sure to read it carefully to make sure I haven't already addressed a fact you may bring up in round 2. This is the advantage I suppose of going after me. You can adjust your opening arguments upon seeing mine.
--> @Cogent_Cognizer
I sincerely hope that your health issues get better, and that you do well in school. If you're too pressed on time, or you don't feel well, then don't sweat it. But other than that, I hope to make your final debate a memorable one!
--> @PressF4Respect
Glad to see I still have time for this myself. I did announce I was leaving this site, but I don't like the idea of leaving a debate open like this and forfeiting. So while I am extremely busy with dealing with health issues and upcoming school things(as mentioned in that forum post), I think I have enough time to spend time on this website for at least this one last debate.
Feel privileged I decided to make an exception to my announcement in the forums for you lol. After this, I am probably going to be off of this for quite some time. I will try to have my R2 arguments up within 4 days(96 hours) from this comment. Each round thereafter, though, I probably can't be as timely, but we have 2 weeks for each round, so even with my busy schedule that's coming up, this should be enough time
Oh shoot, I was too focused on the wording of my contentions, I forgot to mention I'll permit google docs and other outside ways of posting your arguments, but with a character limit of 20k.
Go ahead and state that in round 1 if you want, and I'll agree to it in R2(hopefully, if I don't get distracted again lol)
--> @Cogent_Cognizer
I am completely fine with that. Look forward to a good debate!
--> @PressF4Respect
Better yet, we can definitely say that sources won't count towards the limit, so we could put our sources in the comments or something for each round and I could state something in the first round indicating that is where we are putting our sources. I think our physical argument without sources should have the 15k cap though.
Edit: though, on second thought, the way to solve that is to link to the sources with words you say in the argument. That's what I do. I hyperlink key words of my claim that needs to be cited.
--> @PressF4Respect
If you change your mind about the character limit, I'm willing to allow Google Docs or some other method of posting your arguments, but we will have to agree to some other character limit. I think I'd only be willing to extend it to 20k at most. Beyond that, and I feel most people wouldn't read it.
--> @Christen
That's what I'll be stating in Round 1.
--> @Cogent_Cognizer
Eh, I might as well accept it now.
--> @Cogent_Cognizer
15k characters should be enough, but I will let you know just in case ;)
--> @PressF4Respect
2 weeks for each argument? Sure
--> @Cogent_Cognizer
I'll accept this tomorrow if you change it to 2 weeks, since I don't know how busy I'll be in the next few days.
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