Instigator / Pro
13
1554
rating
15
debates
73.33%
won
Topic
#1335

Left wing policies are better for the economy

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
6
0
Better sources
4
2
Better legibility
2
2
Better conduct
1
2

After 2 votes and with 7 points ahead, the winner is...

Nemiroff
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
6
1377
rating
62
debates
25.81%
won
Description

It may seem counter intuitative at first with republicans being the business friendly party. However history shows truth, and being existing business friendly isnt the same as overall market friendly. Being chummy with businesses often stifles competition. A left wing equally regulated economy is far more free and fair then a right wing subsidized economy where hand picked businesses get unfair tax benefits while acting with maximum impunity.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

See comments:
https://www.debateart.com/debates/1335/comment_links/20203

Gist:
Debate got trolled... If not just trolling, even when asked, con could not name even a second conservative president to support his case.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Nem
-Democratic presidents are better for the economy.

-Democratic states are better off economically, proving how higher taxes doesn't kill business. No source attached.

R1 note:Nem's second point was great as he anticipated that con would bring up how democratic policies would discourage business and also provided reasons why businesses do/should want more taxes. However, his best point was unsourced.

Cross
-Nem's source is before Trump, Trump has lowered unemployment and thwarted China. Also, Trump cut taxes.

-Cross points out how much debt Obama added.

-He then points out poor economic decisions Obama made.

-He than shows the economic strain illegal immigrants have on the economy

R1 Note: Cross doesn't really prove that right wing policies are better here, just that Trump is good for the economy and Obama is bad for the economy. Nem was able to prove that in an all time sense leftwing presidents performed better and that Blue states were better off economically than red states. His illegal immigrant point is proficient, as it's an example of a left wing policy blundering.

Cross Rebuttals R1

-points out how taxes are okay when they are being spent on roads/infrastructure.

-He says the more education you get the dumber you are, but fails to back this up in any way with a source.

- states how red states are getting richer while blue states are getting poorer.

R1 Rebuttal Note: Cross's only proficient statement was his "red states are improving" point. He tries to address Nem's point about companies wanting tax dollars to go to education by stating education makes you dumber, which is entirely unsourced. Cross's points on spending on roads/ infrastructure are agreed upon by Nem.

R2/R3 Note-Nem forfeits, this is very poor conduct, therefore Cross wins the conduct point. Cross doesn't make any arguments.

Nem R4

-Points out how pointing to only Trump isn't proper as a president doesn't run 100% of the nations economy.

-Also concedes that Red states are growing faster.

-Proves how unemployment has always been falling, so it might not be as a result of Right wing policies.

-Also how Trump is building debt just as fast as Obama.

R4 Note: Nem refuted all of Cross's points, Cross relied way to much on trump despite it being an anecdotal point with many other factors, one of these factors was nems point about trump not running the whole economy, so trump isn't an example of right wing policies succeeding, Nem gives me great reasons to believe Trump has failed economically with the rising debt.

Cross R4
-points out how Trump wasn't just successful because of Obama.

-9/10 poorest aren't republican- the way his source comes to this conclusion is faulty.

Overall Con doesn't try to prove Right wing policies are better, but that Trump has been good for the economy and Obama was bad, Nem proved that nation wide right now Blue states are better off, and left wing presidents were better at running the economy while giving me good reason to believe Trump wasn't good for the economy given how he's increasing the debt by alarming amounts and how Trump may not be the reason for economic growth as he doesn't run the whole economy and unemployment has been falling for years.