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God created Morality

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Gods moral system effect's us biologically.
Giving to the poor can help with an assortment of different diseases like Hiv/aids and other chronic diseases and can even add years to one's life. This is because Gods moral system effects us biologically.
This disproves Evolution because Morals are not something taught to us by our parents.
This is like if i murdered children and my eyes turned red or yellow to show that i am evil.
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I want to keep this simple and thanks for taking this.


Gods moral system effect's us biologically.
Giving to the poor can help with an assortment of different diseases like Hiv/aids and other chronic diseases and can even add years to one's life.
This is because Gods moral system effects us biologically.



Giving is good for our health. A wide range of research has linked different forms of generosity to better health, even among the sick and elderly. In his book Why Good Things Happen to Good People, Stephen Post, a professor of preventative medicine at Stony Brook University, reports that giving to others has been shown to increase health benefits in people with chronic illness, including HIV and multiple sclerosis.


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Thanks to crossed for creating this debate.

I will also keep this simple.

Morality: descriptively to refer to certain codes of conduct put forward by a society or a group (such as a religion), or accepted by an individual for her own behavior,

From this we can gather morality is rules put in place to state what is right or wrong. Given we have no way to state objectively what is right or wrong without axioms it is subjective. Meaning God created morality is simply you version of subjective morality not something that can be recognized to affirm a higher being or not. My position if it wasn't clear already is that morality is subjective because it is based on what we value not independent of that.

Gods moral system effect's us biologically.
Giving to the poor can help with an assortment of different diseases like Hiv/aids and other chronic diseases and can even add years to one's life.
This is because Gods moral system effects us biologically.
From this link:


The link sites a study that elderly people are less likely to die. The best reason they came to was it reduces stress. I am not here to disagree with the findings of the link instead tell me how God created morality from old people are less likely to die over a 5 year period. You simply accepted God created morality as an axiom which can be seen with the sentence you typed that I copied here which is what the debate is about. Please tell me how God created morality instead of using it as an axiom.

Over to you crossed.

Round 2
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Sorry for procrastinating.



The article makes it very clear that they do not know why this happens. They try to explain it with theory like maybe it is stress. But they facts are a bunch of people who gave  others  got health benefits  that helped with many chronic diseases like HIV. Which is pretty specific if you ask me.Besides it is foolish to think that stress is the only emotion that can kill. love anger happiness can all effect us biologically to. An example would be during the aftermath of the great war.  a bunch of orphaned babies died from lack of love. Even though they were medically treated fine.



Most of these deaths were not due to starvation or disease, but to severe emotional and sensorial deprivation – in other words, a lack of love. These babies were fed and medically treated, but they were absolutely deprived of important stimulation, especially touch and affection.




Besides where is the stress in this situation.


Giving is good for our health. A wide range of research has linked different forms of generosity to better health, even among the sick and elderly. In his book Why Good Things Happen to Good People, Stephen Post, a professor of preventative medicine at Stony Brook University, reports that giving to others has been shown to increase health benefits in people with chronic illness, including HIV and multiple sclerosis.


You have to assume that everyone  who give to others is stressed. Which can not possibly be true. Plus why would giving to other relieve one of stress. It should increase stress.Clearly stress did not cause this




A 1999 study led by Doug Oman of the University of California, Berkeley, found that elderly people who volunteered for two or more organizations were 44 percent less likely to die over a five-year period than were non-volunteers, even after controlling for their age, exercise habits, general health, and negative health habits like smoking. Stephanie Brown of the University of Michigan
Again where is the stress in this situation. People who volunteered added 5 years to there life's added 5 years there lives. So you have to assume that people who do not volunteer/give are stressed out people and that is why they do not volunteer/give. Which is clearly so untrue. Then you have to assume that volunteering/giving relieves stress. Which is not true

Clearly this is not what is happening. Giving to others is one of Gods commandments and if you obey it. you add years to your life.So the bible is true. So Gods morale law effects us biologically

"If you walk in My ways, keeping My statutes and commandments, as your father David walked, then I will prolong your days."

In fact one of his commandments is going to church. If you go to church you add 14 years to your life.I think we can agree that going to church is considered a morally good thing by god. If you participate in this morally good thing by god you add 14 years to your life.Gods morals effected us biologically



Attending religious services once a week has been shown to add between four and 14 years to life expectancy, according to researchers who study blue zones. Who don’t belong to a church?





I believe that is is possible for morality to effect you like biologically like it does in the movies.Because Gods moral system is in play.
For example in how to train your dragon 2. Toothless try's to save hiccup from the bewilder beast And because Toothless loves hiccup so much he biologically changes and starts to glow blue in order to save him. His morals effected him biologically

The seen shows 2 people being changing  because A moral system is in play. The bad guy heart is hardened by god because he does bad stuff. He did so many bad thing that he does not feel guilty when he does bad things and toothless who changed biologically  because he loves hiccup.


stuff like Toothless changing biologically because of love can really happen.
Have you ever heard of stories of when someone child is trapped underneath the car and the dad through the power of love becomes super strong. Gods morals effected him biologically. He become super strong through the power of love.

Yes, You Really Can Lift a Car Off a Trapped Child
The Science Behind Seemingly Impossible Feats of Strength

 some guy lifted 3000 pounds car which is 3 times higher then the world record of lifting 1000 pounds of dumbbells. So this is not some placebo thing his morals effected him biologically and made him super human.He broke the 1000 pound dumbbell record by 3 times 3000 pounds.All because love effected him. biologically

As I write in the story, Boyle accomplished an almost unthinkable feat of strength. The world record for dead-lifting a barbell is 1,003 pounds. A stock Camaro weighs 3000 pounds. So how did Boyle pull it off? Here's how I explain it in the story:
He became 3 times stronger then the world strongest man in an  instant because of the power of love.Gods morals effect us biologically.This is not simply he had this power all along.The article goes on how love and fear of loosing someone can make you instantly strong. 3 times stronger then the world record of lifting dumbbells.



One of the easiest observable moral is the fact that god hardens hearts. If you do bad thing. Over time you loose the ability to feel bad about it. This is because Gods morals effect us biologically.I recognized this by looking at myself and looking at everyone else.



The LORD said to Moses, "When you go back to Egypt see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders which I have put in your power; but I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go.


If you do bad things god will harden your heart so you do not feel bad. This is because God Moral system is effecting you biologically. This can easily be seen to be  true just by observing people.




Conclusion.Gods Morals effect us biologically.


Giving to others can help with many chronic diseases. Because gods morals effect us biologically

If you go to church. You can add up to 14 years to your life. This is because it is a morally good to go to church and gods morals effect us biologically.


You can become 3 times stronger then the strongest man in order to lift a car. In order to save a child. Because gods morals effect us biologically.Love can change us biologically

We become less likely to feel emotion for others when we do bad things. This is because Gods moral system effects us biologically and God hardens are heart.



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From this we can gather morality is rules put in place to state what is right or wrong
I agree. Going to church is a rule set by god and is morally right. If you obey it you add years to your life. So is giving to others and my other examples.


My position if it wasn't clear already is that morality is subjective because it is based on what we value not independent of that.

Agree prove that morals are just something taught to us by parents.



The link sites a study that elderly people are less likely to die. The best reason they came to was it reduces stress
It says that many chronic diseases can be prevented by giving to others and you live longer. You have assume that these people were stressed out before they gave to others and that giving reduced the stress.. Why would giving to other reduce stress. should not giving increase stress?


Oh and extra.

We are hardwired/created to worship God. Here is an article of atheist saying they are smarter because they Quote on quote override the programming to worship.

Atheists Are More Intelligent Because They Override Religious Instinct, Study Claim



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Thanks to crossed for creating his argument.

If it wasn't clear already. My opponent yet again is gish galloping, didn't answer the core problem I had and the rebuttals against me were non-sequiturs.

The article makes it very clear that they do not know why this happens. They try to explain it with theory like maybe it is stress. But they facts are a bunch of people who gave  others  got health benefits  that helped with many chronic diseases like HIV. Which is pretty specific if you ask me.Besides it is foolish to think that stress is the only emotion that can kill. love anger happiness can all effect us biologically to. An example would be during the aftermath of the great war.  a bunch of orphaned babies died from lack of love. Even though they were medically treated fine.
Where is the link to this article? 
An example would be during the aftermath of the great war.  a bunch of orphaned babies died from lack of love. Even though they were medically treated fine.
How can you die from a lack of love? From what I know people cease to function when the heart stops beating or the brain doesn't transmit signals. Link
Besides where is the stress in this situation.
What are you arguing against? An article that I didn't use? This is a non-sequitur to what is going on so I have nothing say about this.
You have to assume that everyone  who give to others is stressed. Which can not possibly be true. Plus why would giving to other relieve one of stress. It should increase stress.Clearly stress did not cause this
Yet again speaking about a position I don't have. This even by itself is not a right way of assessing anything. You question by saying "why would giving to other relieve one of stress" then instead of finding evidence regarding this you answer your own question by saying "It should increase stress" then by stating this you end up with the conclusion "Clearly stress did not cause this". A question you answered is not how you demonstrate your side to be right. You must demonstrate with evidence whatever this non-sequitur you are talking about to substantial.
Again where is the stress in this situation. People who volunteered added 5 years to there life's added 5 years there lives. So you have to assume that people who do not volunteer/give are stressed out people and that is why they do not volunteer/give. Which is clearly so untrue. Then you have to assume that volunteering/giving relieves stress. Which is not true
I don't even understand what is going on here. 
Clearly this is not what is happening. Giving to others is one of Gods commandments and if you obey it. you add years to your life.So the bible is true. So Gods morale law effects us biologically
This is based on correlation equals causation with the study you brought in earlier with questions you answered yourself without referring to evidence that state your side to be correct. In order for God to impact us biologically you must demonstrate God existing then state the specific law God commanded to be correct. Without that I can simply say it is mother nature's law the reason why x occurs.

In fact one of his commandments is going to church. If you go to church you add 14 years to your life.I think we can agree that going to church is considered a morally good thing by god. If you participate in this morally good thing by god you add 14 years to your life.Gods morals effected us biologically
Not verified whatsoever. None of your claims even come close to stating attending church adds 14 years to your life. I wouldn't even know how to find evidence to even get to that conclusion yet you simply claim it to be so.
I believe that is is possible for morality to effect you like biologically like it does in the movies.Because Gods moral system is in play.
For example in how to train your dragon 2. Toothless try's to save hiccup from the bewilder beast And because Toothless loves hiccup so much he biologically changes and starts to glow blue in order to save him. His morals effected him biologically
Your comparison doesn't fit because it is comparing a world where dragons are real which is not comparable to the creatures we know in reality. Yet again you have to demonstrate how it is God's law in play not simply use that as an axiom.
The seen shows 2 people being changing  because A moral system is in play. The bad guy heart is hardened by god because he does bad stuff. He did so many bad thing that he does not feel guilty when he does bad things and toothless who changed biologically  because he loves hiccup.


stuff like Toothless changing biologically because of love can really happen.
Have you ever heard of stories of when someone child is trapped underneath the car and the dad through the power of love becomes super strong. Gods morals effected him biologically. He become super strong through the power of love.
My earlier claims should work here as well.
He became 3 times stronger then the world strongest man in an  instant because of the power of love.Gods morals effect us biologically.
You are not in anyway proving this. Yet again I am seeing the same problems yet you still decide to gish-gallop with virtually the same problems.
Conclusion.Gods Morals effect us biologically.


Giving to others can help with many chronic diseasesBecause gods morals effect us biologically

If you go to church. You can add up to 14 years to your life. This is because it is a morally good to go to church and gods morals effect us biologically.


You can become 3 times stronger then the strongest man in order to lift a car. In order to save a child. Because gods morals effect us biologically.Love can change us biologically

We become less likely to feel emotion for others when we do bad things. This is because Gods moral system effects us biologically and God hardens are heart.
To conclude nothing at all is verified. These are all claims made about specific events without demonstrating how these specific events are influenced by God.
Block rebuttal

From this we can gather morality is rules put in place to state what is right or wrong
I agree. Going to church is a rule set by god and is morally right. If you obey it you add years to your life. So is giving to others and my other examples.
Not evidence has been provided for the claim that church time equals longer life. Are you saying in church time is accelerated while the human isn't? Please do present these findings to scientists because I am sure they would be happy to research it.
My position if it wasn't clear already is that morality is subjective because it is based on what we value not independent of that.

Agree prove that morals are just something taught to us by parents.
My claim wasn't it was taught by our parents. My claim is based on what we value. If that means we value what our parents say then morality is based on what our parents wishes. That still means morality is subjective because you require something to value in order to even make a claim about the subject. Without a value you can't even begin to speak about what is good or bad. Even when you found a value. That value is subjective because if I simply ask the question why do you value this over that and what standard you use. You won't have an objective standard instead you would have to use your feelings to justify what you pick because by virtue of you having a value is not an objective standard nor can it even come close to one.
The link sites a study that elderly people are less likely to die. The best reason they came to was it reduces stress
It says that many chronic diseases can be prevented by giving to others and you live longer. You have assume that these people were stressed out before they gave to others and that giving reduced the stress.. Why would giving to other reduce stress. should not giving increase stress?
This is not a rebuttal to what I said instead simply deciding to incorrectly read the study Pro gave to me. 

Oh and extra.

We are hardwired/created to worship God. Here is an article of atheist saying they are smarter because they Quote on quote override the programming to worship.

Atheists Are More Intelligent Because They Override Religious Instinct, Study Claim
An instinct doesn't equal intelligence. An instinct can be do act stupid to every single scenario so an instinct is not always equal to intelligence so you would have to demonstrate the link. 

To summarize my opponent has gish galloped with points which makes it seem like he just found these site and decided to talk about it. There is no structure which is difficult to find his most strongest point and since all of them have the same issue. There wasn't a lot I needed to do to show the problems with what was said. I have yet to find the one objection I stated in Round 1 argued against sufficient which was " Please tell me how God created morality instead of using it as an axiom." or in an updated way "Yet again you have to demonstrate how it is God's law in play not simply use that as an axiom.".

Over to you crossed
Round 3
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Sorry for procrastinating.i don't like doing these debates it makes me feel bad. I have connected my points with bible quote's that say you live longer if you obey god.Good is something that helps you in some way.Bad is something that can kill you.Only an intelligent being can have a concept of good and bad.So evolution could not create life since that is a requirement.But God can
So it has to be god's Moral system.Since evolution does not have a moral system.I do not want to discuss aliens or other intelligent creator so God is real because of prophesy like pharmakeai

Gods Moral system effects all life.The creator created all objects with the concept of good and bad in mind



Our immune system helps good germs and not bad germs.From this Alone we can conclude that the creator is an intelligent being with the knowledge of good and bad in mind And can tell the difference between something good and something that is bad.


The appendix is a safe house for good germs but not bad germs.From this Alone we can conclude that the creator is an intelligent being with the concept of good and bad in mind.

olive oil kills cancer cells and not Good cells.The creator is intelligent and could distinguish between good and evil. This is Because the creator is intelligent and has knowledge of good and evil.

The apple feeds the good bacteria but Not the bad.The creator would need to have knowledge of good and evil to create life.


Gods Moral system effects all thing.Even apple's and immune systems


Wicked heart Wither the body.


Here is a list of my previous examples of morality effecting us biologically

  1. giving to other's can help with chronic diseases
  2. Baby's died from lack of love
  3. Man lifting a 3000 pound car to save a child.A near impossible feet.He broke the world record of 1003 pounds by almost 3 times Through the power of love
  4. Going to church can add 14 years to your life expectancy
I want to address some Misunderstanding in con's last argument.


Con seems to not understand how a bunch of orphaned babies died from lack of love

How can you die from a lack of love? From what I know people cease to function when the heart stops beating or the brain doesn't transmit signals. Link

You can die from lack of love because morals are not just something taught to us by our parents.but biological. But love is the most important thing.God made love biological.Being without love can be just as deadly as being without water or food.


Most of these deaths were not due to starvation or disease, but to severe emotional and sensorial deprivation – in other words, a lack of love. These babies were fed and medically treated, but they were absolutely deprived of important stimulation, especially touch and affection.


Deprivation comes in many shapes and forms: lack of food, diseases, maltreatment, and child abuse are some of the harms that come to mind. However, I would argue that deprivation of love can be just as deadly.

Wicked heart Wither the body.

The fear of the LORD prolongs life, But the years of the wicked will be shortened.


Holding grudges can make you age faster. This is a confirmation of proverb 10:27 "But the years of the wicked will be shortened."

. Holding Grudges. Holding grudges on a situation or person is not good for your outward appearance as well as your overall health.

Getting angry can make you age faster.Wicked people body's wither.This is not small stuff permanent physical damage

Getting angry makes you age more quickly, scientists have found. People who experience high levels of hostility do themselves permanent physical damage, according to a team of American researchers.

Stress
Con claimed stress caused those people who give to live longer.But this make's no sense since stress has nothing to do with giving.People who give to other;s are not stressed out people. Plus giving to other's does not relieve stress. Con addressed this with confusion.I made it simple. If this is not enough.Stressed out people don't give to other's.Unless con provide's proof that they do and all these people in my article were stressed out and giving relieved it.


Rebuttal


Not verified whatsoever. None of your claims even come close to stating attending church adds 14 years to your life. I wouldn't even know how to find evidence to even get to that conclusion yet you simply claim it to be so.
I make it very easy. I put my article right below the claim i make. My sources do make that claim


Your comparison doesn't fit because it is comparing a world where dragons are real which is not comparable to the creatures we know in reality. Yet again you have to demonstrate how it is God's law in play not simply use that as an axiom.
I believe dragon did exist at one point. But that is irrelevant.I am saying morals are not something taught by our parents .But there is an unwritten law in our hearts. If we do good things we live longer. If we do bad thing we die faster

Giving to other's can make you live longer. Bad thing's like holding grudges can make you age faster.

i said
He became 3 times stronger then the world strongest man in an  instant because of the power of love.Gods morals effect us biologically.
You are not in anyway proving this. Yet again I am seeing the same problems yet you still decide to gish-gallop with virtually the same problems.
I am not overloading you with stuff. Secondly this is not a good response this is name calling..He became 3 time's stronger then the strongest man in order to save a child.If that does not prove love is more then just a bunch of chemicals in the brain.Then what is. God considers love good and hate bad. So when you do hateful things you suffer biologically.If you do loving things you benefit biologically.Gods moral system effects us biologically.


To conclude nothing at all is verified. These are all claims made about specific events without demonstrating how these specific events are influenced by God.
No this has everything to do with god. For example sake. lets say i am god. Lets say i do not like cats they are evil. But i love dogs they are good. I make it So those why have cats get cancer. While  those who like dogs get clearer skin. My moral law about cats and dogs effected them biologically.God love's good and hate's evil.He made those who do good get good health benefits.While those who do bad get negative health effects.


my claim wasn't it was taught by our parents. My claim is based on what we value.
God values  good and does not value Evil.God has made it to where those who do good prosper medically and those who do Evil suffer medically.What Gods value effects us biologically.


An instinct doesn't equal intelligence. An instinct can be do act stupid to every single scenario so an instinct is not always equal to intelligence so you would have to demonstrate the link. 

agreed.We are just programmed to worship god.Since we have instincts for that Worshiping god
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Thanks to crossed for creating his argument.

Good is something that helps you in some way.Bad is something that can kill you.
I didn't accept your morality but you still are acting like I do. My very first round I state which has not been sufficiently countered is "My position if it wasn't clear already is that morality is subjective because it is based on what we value not independent of that.".
Only an intelligent being can have a concept of good and bad.So evolution could not create life since that is a requirement.
How do you know you are receiving God's word instead of the Devils? I know this is the last round but it is still relevant because crossed is telling me here that he knows that God did this even though we are incomparable to the creator of the universe. Given this crossed appeal to God is no better than my appeal to the Devil because we both would have no idea how to explain this using our best standard science. crossed has shown no way to repeat it so we are left with testimonies about things that are miracles.
Gods Moral system effects all life.The creator created all objects with the concept of good and bad in mind

Our immune system helps good germs and not bad germs.From this Alone we can conclude that the creator is an intelligent being with the knowledge of good and bad in mind And can tell the difference between something good and something that is bad.

The appendix is a safe house for good germs but not bad germs.From this Alone we can conclude that the creator is an intelligent being with the concept of good and bad in mind.

olive oil kills cancer cells and not Good cells.The creator is intelligent and could distinguish between good and evil. This is Because the creator is intelligent and has knowledge of good and evil.

The apple feeds the good bacteria but Not the bad.The creator would need to have knowledge of good and evil to create life.

Gods Moral system effects all thing.Even apple's and immune systems
If it wasn't clear this is an entire gish gallop in the final round because he has presented new arguments and expects me to challenge in the final round even though he had 2 rounds before this to present them. I will be addressing all of them at once because all of them fall into the same issues as before.

X is bad. X is good.
X is link.

Note there is no explanation anywhere. Meaning all that he is giving is a source and his opinion. He expects me to read the articles and find the information that he didn't explain it to be true. The obvious problem would be what if I am rebutting a reason he doesn't agreed with? I wouldn't know and nothing here helps me. I require explanations because saying something is good and bad doesn't give me why you think that is. You instead simply state your opinion and say God did so intelligently and provide a link. The only way I can counter is to simply say this is insufficient in stating morality is objective and you haven't linked it to God instead simply stated your opinion with links.
You can die from lack of love because morals are not just something taught to us by our parents.but biological. But love is the most important thing.God made love biological.Being without love can be just as deadly as being without water or food.
Note that he didn't actually rebut my claim. He simply said I can die from a lack of love because morals. That isn't stating how I could die from a lack of love instead statd a complete non-sequitur point as his justification. Yet again links it to be God without explaining how it is the case.
crossed quote round 1:Most of these deaths were not due to starvation or disease, but to severe emotional and sensorial deprivation – in other words, a lack of love. These babies were fed and medically treated, but they were absolutely deprived of important stimulation, especially touch and affection.
If it wasn't clear he just brought in a quote from and then gave another link without explaining what it is or how it helps his side. 
Deprivation comes in many shapes and forms: lack of food, diseases, maltreatment, and child abuse are some of the harms that come to mind. However, I would argue that deprivation of love can be just as deadly.

Wicked heart Wither the body.

The fear of the LORD prolongs life, But the years of the wicked will be shortened.


Holding grudges can make you age faster. This is a confirmation of proverb 10:27 "But the years of the wicked will be shortened."

Holding GrudgesHolding grudges on a situation or person is not good for your outward appearance as well as your overall health.

Getting angry can make you age faster.Wicked people body's wither.This is not small stuff permanent physical damage

Getting angry makes you age more quickly, scientists have found. People who experience high levels of hostility do themselves permanent physical damage, according to a team of American researchers.
More new arguments brought about without explaining them. I can't be expected to keep on arguing against points when crossed doesn't even bother to improve his arguments. This is yet another gish gallop that doesn't help his side. It is simply claims with sources without explanation on how morals come from God.
Stress
Con claimed stress caused those people who give to live longer.But this make's no sense since stress has nothing to do with giving.People who give to other;s are not stressed out people. Plus giving to other's does not relieve stress. Con addressed this with confusion.I made it simple. If this is not enough.Stressed out people don't give to other's.Unless con provide's proof that they do and all these people in my article were stressed out and giving relieved it.
I don't have burden of proof when you made the initial claims without sufficiently completing it. 
I make it very easy. I put my article right below the claim i make. My sources do make that claim
Your source in no way attempts to provide proof that people live 14 years longer attending church.
I believe dragon did exist at one point. But that is irrelevant.I am saying morals are not something taught by our parents .But there is an unwritten law in our hearts. If we do good things we live longer. If we do bad thing we die faster

Giving to other's can make you live longer. Bad thing's like holding grudges can make you age faster.
You haven't demonstrated the unwritten law instead simply assumed it to be the case. I don't have anything to argue against until you decide to prove it.
I am not overloading you with stuff. Secondly this is not a good response this is name calling..He became 3 time's stronger then the strongest man in order to save a child.If that does not prove love is more then just a bunch of chemicals in the brain.Then what is. God considers love good and hate bad. So when you do hateful things you suffer biologically.If you do loving things you benefit biologically.Gods moral system effects us biologically.
Please your the king of overloading stuff and you don't know it. I don't know how you don't see the difference between what I did and what you did. I gave the most important point while you gave countless claims which pretty much all of them have the same problems. 
No this has everything to do with god. For example sake. lets say i am god. Lets say i do not like cats they are evil. But i love dogs they are good. I make it So those why have cats get cancer. While  those who like dogs get clearer skin. My moral law about cats and dogs effected them biologically.God love's good and hate's evil.He made those who do good get good health benefits.While those who do bad get negative health effects.
Doesn't even state how this is linked to God.
God values  good and does not value Evil.God has made it to where those who do good prosper medically and those who do Evil suffer medically.What Gods value effects us biologically.
Yet again not demonstrated or explained.
agreed.We are just programmed to worship god.Since we have instincts for that Worshiping god
I don't agree with you. I am opposing yet you still state you agree with me. It doesn't make sense to me.

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I think I won because my argument still stands while I have already rebutted the structure of crossed's arguments in pretty much every round.


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Because, as you said, i have a red cup, i buy a plate to match. If i have a red cup, red spoon, red plate, but suddenly a brown moose, that destroys the entire matching scheme. That doesnt seem intelligently designed, at least not for the aestetic reason you have been pushing.
Many animals did end up with the same adaptation, but others did not, and remained other colors, with bigger weapons instead.
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The thing ramshutu was commenting on was a scientist was saying we have no idea how life came into existence.The more we learn on how advance life is the farther we get away we get in learning the origin of life.
Ramshutu response was it is illogical to attack us because we do not know anything.
"The typical creationist argument is that scientists haven’t provided a detailed"
But the example given was how advance a simple cell was and how it showed god's engineering genius.
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z-gKelY_3e0e0u6m4lLeX1zw6Lp7LM8mSCQoQ7x-BCE/edit
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Ramshutu stated that it is intellectual dishonesty at worst, to which I added it would commit debate-ending fallacies. I shared Ram's stance that AT WORST, it is intellectually dishonest. I guess I should've clarified that, to which I apologize.
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Evolution didnt color match for some irrelevant artistic taste, whatever survives is good. Small animals that had to hide color blended. The moose instead got a pair of big weapons on his head for defense. Either one works.
Your claim is that their matching is intentional. Therefore everything should match.
With the guess and check method of nature, many different features would be present. As long as they keep the animal alive.
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I am not being intellectually dishonest all i posted was this.
https://youtu.be/r4sP1E1Jd_Y?t=1099
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Life is so advance that science keeps moving backwards in origin in life research.
People usually spout all these facts about science. Like how atoms DNA and laws of physics work.They do this thinking they are disproving god.But because these things are so much more advance then anything we have ever made.It is the most obvious proof that god exist.
Science is real good at telling us how stuff work.It is terrible at telling us how something came to be.Telling me how DNA works does not disprove god made it. It only supports that god made it because it is so advance.
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Your rebuttal for my intelligently colored animals also apply to evolution
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"It’s intellectual dishonesty at its worst"
It's more than just intellectual dishonesty. It's an Argument from Ignorance fallacy, and arguably an Argument from Personal Incredulity as well.
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The typical creationist argument is that scientists haven’t provided a detailed, end to end, evidence based explanation of the origin of life; AND have not successfully reproduced life using this abiotic process in the lab - so we must accept an asserted explanation that God did it, with no explanation, no evidence and no predictive ability.
It’s intellectual dishonesty at its worst.
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Why does what not apply to evolution?
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Why does that not apply to evolution
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https://youtu.be/r4sP1E1Jd_Y?t=1099
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Let’s turn this on its head then.
Assume you have a production line - what if it produces is other production lines? Older production lines shut down, and the child production lines produce their own production lines.
What if the production line doesn’t produce an exact copy of itself, but can create an inexact duplicate?
What if these production lines shut down if they can’t find access to materials, or are killed by other production lines?
What if a difference created by inexact copying allowed the production line to be more efficient? Or help extract raw materials from the environment better than competitors.
What if one of the changes the production line made, was to modify the colour of the production lines it produces?
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Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
For this resolution, even if we were to take it as true that God exists, no connection to the creation of morality was ever established.
Pro's case is just an elongated goddidit fallacy, without anything to suggest God (instead of say the Devil as con pointed out) actually did it. Pro even speaks of God reaching down from heaven to smite babies as punishment on them for violating his morality (I am unsure how they were supposed to have sinned?). He then explains that morals are things like olive oil and apples... I don't want to try to figure out how that works.
Con makes a concise counter case, explaining what morals are (this seemed to be accepted, and am still at a loss for what use of olive oil has to do with it; but apparently it increases our live by 14 years if we go to the church which does), and that they're ultimately subjective to what we desire (pro even concedes that they are subjective, rather than something objective from a higher power), leading to the ultimate point that pro has not demonstrated God's involvement.