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Mel Gibson's "Braveheart" unjustly defames Scotland's Robert the Bruce

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With 1 vote and 5 points ahead, the winner is ...

oromagi
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Quickie debate on one of oromagi's favorite hobbyhorses: the movie Braveheart is quite anti-historical.

RESOLVED: Mel Gibson's "Braveheart" unjustly defames Scotland's Robert the Bruce

DEFINITIONS:

Mel Gibson's "Braveheart" is the 1995 Academy Award Winner for Best Picture and Best Director.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112573/

unjustly [adverb, comparative form of unjust]
unjust [adjective] is not fair, just, or right.
just [adjective] is factually, rationally, or morally right.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/unjustly
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/unjust
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/just

defames [verb- third-person singular simple present] is to harm or diminish the reputation of; to disparage.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/defame

Scotland's Robert the Bruce was "King of Scotland from 1306 until his death in 1329. Robert was one of the most famous warriors of his generation, and eventually led Scotland during the First War of Scottish Independence against England. He fought successfully during his reign to regain Scotland's place as an independent country and is today revered in Scotland as a national hero."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_the_Bruce

BURDEN of PROOF is shared

PRO must demonstrate defamation
CON must demonstrate no defamation

- RULES --
1. Forfeit=auto loss
2. Sources may be merely linked in debate as long as citations are listed in comments
3. No new args in R3
4. For all relevant terms, individuals should use commonplace understandings that fit within the rational context of this resolution and debate

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Tie
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Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better spelling and grammar
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Pro uses history lessons to prove his case (bad history, stolen titles, and some really funny analogs), whereas con does not challenge any of it and makes a weak case around defamation not mattering. If it matters or not, is not what is in question, so arguments to pro. Sources to pro, largely for connecting the historical figure to currently living people (I had no clue Meghan Markle was from that line...), making the harm (mild as it may be) a sound argument and pre-refuting the contention that it doesn't matter.