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Mel Gibson's "Braveheart" unjustly defames Scotland's Robert the Bruce

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Quickie debate on one of oromagi's favorite hobbyhorses: the movie Braveheart is quite anti-historical.
RESOLVED: Mel Gibson's "Braveheart" unjustly defames Scotland's Robert the Bruce
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Mel Gibson's "Braveheart" is the 1995 Academy Award Winner for Best Picture and Best Director.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112573/
unjustly [adverb, comparative form of unjust]
unjust [adjective] is not fair, just, or right.
just [adjective] is factually, rationally, or morally right.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/unjustly
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/unjust
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/just
defames [verb- third-person singular simple present] is to harm or diminish the reputation of; to disparage.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/defame
Scotland's Robert the Bruce was "King of Scotland from 1306 until his death in 1329. Robert was one of the most famous warriors of his generation, and eventually led Scotland during the First War of Scottish Independence against England. He fought successfully during his reign to regain Scotland's place as an independent country and is today revered in Scotland as a national hero."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_the_Bruce
BURDEN of PROOF is shared
PRO must demonstrate defamation
CON must demonstrate no defamation
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--> @Christen
Public domain takes 95 years. (Thank you Disney)
It is highly improbable that the site could afford the copyright and then give it out for free.
It was more of a joke about the link.
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--> @bmdrocks21
Are you the copyright owner? If not, then how do you know it's copyrighted and not in the public domain? What if the copyright owner gave permission for that website to allow people to download it, or what if that torrent site bought the copyright themselves so that they can they can legally allow people to download the torrent?
Also, I'm pretty sure copyright laws just says I can't HOST the copyrighted material. It doesn't say I can't LINK to it.
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--> @Christen
The FBI doesn't really enforce those laws because so many people do it. They mainly go after people that create those sites and/or sell copyrighted material.
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--> @Christen
Well torrenting is the illegal download of copyrighted material. Then you provided a link, which would probably count as distributing it.
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--> @bmdrocks21
What laws specifically am I violating?
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--> @Christen
You seem to be violating piracy laws. Imma tell the NSA!
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--> @oromagi
The film can be downloaded as a torrent from this website: https://yts.lt/movie/braveheart-1995
Once you download the "Braveheart (1995) [BluRay] [YTS.LT].torrent" file, you need a software like utorrent or bitorrent to extract the torrent and acquire the MP4 video file for the movie to watch.
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--> @Christen
or just turn AMC- sometimes it's like the 24/7 Braveheart channel
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--> @oromagi
I would have to download the entire film via torrent and watch it before doing this debate with you.
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I love debates like these
#2
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Debate #666
https://www.debateart.com/debates/666/the-movie-braveheart-ought-to-be-renamed
I might also consider making "Braveheart" vs. "Gladiator" but I'd still mostly argue historical accuracy.
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