Instigator / Pro
37
1687
rating
555
debates
68.11%
won
Topic
#143

Vinnie Paz and Tech N9ne are/were the most phenomenal rappers on Earth in their delivery and flow.

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
15
9
Better sources
14
6
Better legibility
7
7
Better conduct
1
7

After 7 votes and with 8 points ahead, the winner is...

RationalMadman
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Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
5
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
30,000
Voting period
One month
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
29
1266
rating
119
debates
15.97%
won
Description

Best of the best.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

This was a debate about analyzing rap, but only Pro analyzed rap. Case closed, imo. Argument points awarded to the only one who made any arguments. Links without explanation are not arguments.

Gave source points to Pro because in addition to Youtube vids he did source a lyrics site and an article on the definition of rap flow.

Conduct to Con, because Pro forfeited two rounds.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Proboffers a substantive argument about flow, and does well to cite specific lyrics and explain their quality. Con on the other hand offers no real rebuttal, and no real argument other than a very generic defense, pro wins on both weight and quality. Conduct for forefeit, sources due to citations and link provides for his lyrics, which are the whole crux of his argument.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Throughout the debate, Pro doesn't just state that Vinnie Paz is good, he makes a lengthly argument about WHY he is good. In comparison, Con just provides examples of rappers he believes to be better, but he DOESN'T explain why they are better than Vinnie Paz. Because of this, I give arguments to Pro.

Neither side made a significant amount of S&G errors and both sides provided sources.

Both sides had equal conduct.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Pro forfeited many arguments, awarding the conduct point to Con.

However, despite the forfeits, Pro won this debate because the vast majority of his constructive arguments go unanswered by Con. Instead, Con posts a few YouTube links with no analysis, and claims that Pro is biased against K-Rino. Without any refutations, I vote Pro on Arguments.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

While pro used many sources, con made more convincing arguments and pro forfeited twice.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Full disclosure; I received a private message from one of the participants asking me to vote on this debate. I was asked to vote fairly for whomever I felt was the better debater, which I will do.

Sources; Pro.
Pro provided both YouTube videos and cited lyrics from the songs, which he referred to directly to support his argument. Con only provided YouTube videos and in several arguments all he did was post untitled URLs with no explanation. Sources to Pro.

Conduct; Con.
Pro forfeited several rounds, while Con responded to every round without fail. Conduct to Con.

The rest I really can't comment upon, as I have insufficient knowledge of rap music.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Con had arguments so good that Pro forfeit without apology.

Pro also forfeited. This is poor conduct.