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believing in jesus is like believing in santa

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Flawed ideology
Satan is just Santa rearranged
Both wear red
Santa last name is claws.
Spaghetti monster ideology.
All these religions were created by demons to muddy the water.
Just look at all the religions the Quote on quote angle Gabriel made
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Sorry for procrastinating.



The believing in Jesus is like believing in Santa ideology is false because it was created by Satan

  • Santa is just Satan rearranged
  • Both wear red
  • Santa last name is claws.


Plus Christmas is a pagan holiday. So more proof that the pagan gods are just Satan and his crew. Demons masqueraded as Gods in order to muddy the waters with religion. So people would say there are so many religions Why should i believe in yours. Basically Satan created all these religions so people would believe this.

Christmas is actually a pagan holiday. Is it true that Christians today worship a Pagan holiday thinking they are worshiping the actual birthday of Jesus Christ?
So clever of Satan. To trick christian into worshiping Pagan holiday. While making them think there celebrating Jesus birth day.
Also just look at  the religions that the quote on quote angle Gabriel made.


2 Corinthians 11:14
And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
Here is a list of religion the demons that pretending to be Gabriel made


  • Black Hebrew Israelites
  • LDS (Mormons)
  • Islam
  • Buddhism
  • Seventh Day Adventist  (Vision of Ellen White)




Point 3
Satan makes people rich than haunts them
You  know on how almost all the haunted houses are big mansions. why is it  always rich people and not poor people. I believe that this is because  these houses once belonged to people who had sold there souls to Satan  in exchange for wealth




Point 4
Plus the ideology. That it is more absurd to think that life could just happened naturally is more likely to be true. Because it is absurd to think that life just happened out of nowhere. Here is a comment on this God fined tuned the universe video.

Les said
Your brain needs a lot of fine tuning if you believe that the Universe created itself.
Though a mean quote. It is true.
The chance of evolution happening. Is a not going to happen number


Evolutionist Harold Morowitz estimated the probability for chance formation of even the simplest form of living organism at 1/10340,000,000.  By comparison only 1020 grains of sand could fit within a cubic mile and 10 billion times more (1030) would fit inside the entire earth.  So, the probability of forming a simple cell by chance processes is infinitely less likely than having a blind person select one specifically marked grain of sand out of an entire earth filled with sand.


than having a blind person select one specifically marked grain of sand out of an entire earth filled with sand.


So if i have a single strand of sand and i fill the entire planet with sand. Then i mix my sand with it. The chance of evolution happening is significantly less.  If i tried to find that specific piece of sand while blind.


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I must preface the response by admitting it is not the debate I expected to have. Whilst I perhaps should have expected this from such a ridiculous summary section for the debate, I admit I expected a more reality grounded exercise pertaining to the existence of God. However, I shall continue to rebut my opponents points, and hope this debate can remain civil and interesting for both parties. 

  • Santa is just Satan rearranged
  • Both wear red
  •  Santa last name is claws.
Firstly, I'm not entirely sure what this proves. Three coincidences are not evidence unless proven so.

Plus Christmas is a pagan holiday. So more proof that the pagan gods are just Satan and his crew. Demons masqueraded as Gods in order to muddy the waters with religion. So people would say there are so many religions Why should i believe in yours. Basically Satan created all these religions so people would believe this.
Many things wrong here. Indeed, Christmas was a Pagan holiday, but it was hijacked by early Christians in the Roman Empire in order to encourage converts into the religion. My opponent also has failed to uphold the burden of proof - before making such outlandish claims as the one above, I would expect the basic premise of the debate - Satan exists - to be proven beyond doubt. Con has made no such effort.
Furthermore, Pagan Gods, at least in idea, existed long before Christianity or Judaism, or any modern religion for that matter. Would it not make more sense for this argument to be made in reverse?
And as for the last point, which Con fails to even address properly, you must prove the existence of Satan before coming to such a conclusion.

You  know on how almost all the haunted houses are big mansions. 
No, I don't 'know,' because ghosts, or other halloween spectacles have never been proven to exists. I will take this opportunity to further emphasis the failure to even attempt to hold the burden of proof of my opponent.

Also, a debate from this website is not a source, especially not one you lost.

Plus the ideology. That it is more absurd to think that life could just happened naturally is more likely to be true. Because it is absurd to think that life just happened out of nowhere. Here is a comment on this God fined tuned the universe video.

I agree. Fortunately, nobody believes that life came out of nowhere. Evolution is a process of fine tuning, for lack of a better term. Essentially, desirable traits are 'Naturally Selected' within a species (consider the famous example of a finch's beak from Charles Darwin's book - Origin of Species - where the traits that will allow a species to survive will remain.


So if i have a single strand of sand and i fill the entire planet with sand. Then i mix my sand with it. The chance of evolution happening is significantly less.  If i tried to find that specific piece of sand while blind.
You seem to have misunderstood the analogy - It is the chances of evolution occurring as it did, not at all. Evolution will always happen within any species that will ever exist, as it is simply the passing on of desirable DNA through a species. Any other outcome of evolution would have the same probability. 

In short, my opponent has failed to even attempt to hold up his burden of proof. I will refrain from making arguments of my own in this round as I require further clarification on the topic. I hope con can provide this in round 2. 
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Christmas was a Pagan holiday, but it was hijacked by early Christians in the Roman Empire in order to encourage converts into the religion. My opponent also has failed to uphold the burden of proof - before making such outlandish claims as the one above, I would expect the basic premise of the debate - Satan exists - to be proven beyond doubt. Con has made no such effort.
Furthermore, Pagan Gods, at least in idea, existed long before Christianity or Judaism, or any modern religion for that matter. Would it not make more sense for this argument to be made in reverse?
And as for the last point, which Con fails to even address properly, you must prove the existence of Satan before coming to such a conclusion.
No whoever hijacked it.Worshiped Satan.They left there little symbol and stuff.Pagan and the occult put there symbology everywhere.

For example a while ago.debate.org was being stealing information and stuff.A user called RationalMadman who is pagan was talking about how debate.org was doing evil things.Anyway RationalMadman said this

These f##### are quoting Sun Tzu in their homepage, they are no doubt about it experienced at what they are doing.


The reason why RationalMadman said this.Is because those part of the occult and pagans. do these kind of thing they like to leave references to what they are doing.Sorry for putting you on the spot RationalMadman.You were just the best example i can think of. Anyway another example would be i pet goat 2



The company that created the video  i pet goat 2 were created by people who worship pagan gods and they put there symbology in there.


heliofant means sun child which references pagan sun worship

Duly noted, said video was published 88 days after the 88th day of the year in 2012 on June 27th.  88 means the Kingdom of Duality and refers to Dualism, i.e., Male and Female,
It is not an accident that the video was published 88th days after the 88th day of the year
Just like it is not an accident that Satan is just Santa rearranged.They do these kinds of symbology all the time

Its not just pagan.all of the occult does this sorta thing.
For example the  apple computer symbol.Is an apple with a bite taken out of it.This represents the fall of man.because Adam ate the forbidden fruit.Which is usually represented as an apple.


or how pharmacy and how it references and is derived from the word pharmakeia and pharmakon


pharmakeía (from pharmakeuō, "administer drugs") – properly, drug-related sorcery, like the practice of magical-arts, etc. (A. T. Robertson).
while the third sense refers to the pharmakos ritual of human sacrifice.



You  know on how almost all the haunted houses are big mansions. 
No, I don't 'know,' because ghosts, or other halloween spectacles have never been proven to exists. I will take this opportunity to further emphasis the failure to even attempt to hold the burden of proof of my opponent.

Also, a debate from this website is not a source, especially not one you lost.
I can use it as a source.It is easier then spending ten minutes to refined the information.Secondly .In almost every movie we see that haunted houses are depicted as mansions.I give a reason for why this is.Which is above


Plus the ideology. That it is more absurd to think that life could just happened naturally is more likely to be true. Because it is absurd to think that life just happened out of nowhere. Here is a comment on this God fined tuned the universe video.

agree. Fortunately, nobody believes that life came out of nowhere. Evolution is a process of fine tuning, for lack of a better term. Essentially, desirable traits are 'Naturally Selected' within a species (consider the famous example of a finch's beak from Charles Darwin's book - Origin of Species - where the traits that will allow a species to survive will remain.
you are saying an ape turned into a human with no cause whatsoever.That is what i meant when i said out of nowhere.

u seem to have misunderstood the analogy - It is the chances of evolution occurring as it did, not at all. Evolution will always happen within any species that will ever exist, as it is simply the passing on of desirable DNA through a species. Any other outcome of evolution would have the same probability. 

no evolution is not a fact.You do not know if it has happened or not.I could just as easily say the same thing about god it is 100 percent chance that god created life. It is a past event.


Anyway how can an ape turn into a human if humans have souls.




Many animals  eat there own children.They do this because they lack any soul.



We humans are above this instinct because we have souls.Proof of this being. A man was able to life a car of a small child.He lifted 3000 pounds witch is almost 3 times higher then the world record of 1003 pounds. He became so powerful through the power of love.He biologically changed through the power of love. another proof of humans having a  soul is giving to others can help with many diseases like hiv.The eating   your own babies would not stand with humans because we have souls.Because we have souls we need love.A case of a bunch of babies dieing off because of lack of love.They were medically fine.is proof of a soul.




As I write in the story, Boyle accomplished an almost unthinkable feat of strength. The world record for dead-lifting a barbell is 1,003 pounds. A stock Camaro weighs 3000 pounds. So how did Boyle pull it off? Here's how I explain it in the story:


Most of these deaths were not due to starvation or disease, but to severe emotional and sensorial deprivation – in other words, a lack of love. These babies were fed and medically treated, but they were absolutely deprived of important stimulation, especially touch and affection.
Giving is good for our health. A wide range of research has linked different forms of generosity to better health, even among the sick and elderly. In his book Why Good Things Happen to Good People,Stephen Post, a professor of preventative medicine at Stony Brook University, reports that giving to others has been shown to increase health benefits in people with chronic illness, including HIV and multiple sclerosis.

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I know. Theistic evolutionists are ignored in these debates.
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Christmas is not pagan. Also, theistic evolution, anyone?
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