Instigator / Pro
0
1294
rating
75
debates
18.0%
won
Topic
#1455

China and Vietnam are still Socialist Nations

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Winner
0
1

After 1 vote and with 1 point ahead, the winner is...

Nemiroff
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
One day
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Winner selection
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
1
1554
rating
15
debates
73.33%
won
Description

"Although the number of employees of private enterprises has overtaken the number of employees of state- and collectively-owned companies, the basic economic agenda is set by the state. Private production is encouraged by the state only because it contributes to modernisation, technological development and employment. While some Marxists may insist that markets can have no place under socialism, it’s difficult to reconcile such a view with Marx’s own view of socialism as a transitional stage on the road to communism. China has proven in reality that it can use (heavily regulated) market mechanisms in order to more rapidly develop the productive forces and improve the living standards of its people." https://www.invent-the-future.org/2018/10/is-china-still-socialist/

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Winner
1 point(s)
Reason:

Dictatorships inspired by socialism, does not prove the nations are socialist. Con used a trustworthy definition to show what socialism actually is, and it's more than a name, it's quite simply the workers owning the means of production; to which neither country in question was demonstrated to live up to no matter what they call themselves. Pro on the other hand, did his usual borderline plagiarism (write your own argument, and support it with sources and choice quotes from them... at least use the indent quotation tool to mark what's copied when it's so long).