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We Should not trust GMO. Even if there is no Study saying they are harmful

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Pro Give good reason not to trust GMO
Con Give good reason to trust GMO
I am pro
Round 1
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Sorry for procrastinating.

America has been made stupid because of our food problem. We have seen a mental illness rise like never before. We have poor souls that are 800 pounds. Plus this generation is the dumbest generation to have ever exist.This is all because our goverment poisons are food supply with insane chemicals. The average babies born today is born with 300 man made chemicals. They use many excuses to poison our food. We need our food to last longer. So we use this excuse to put dangerous chemicals in the food known as preservatives.Bugs are eating our crop's we will put poison on the crops so the bugs die.GMO are just an extension of that here are 3 thing's that i am worried about.


Concern 1

IDK if there has been new GMO But here is a list of GMO when i researched it last year.

Corn
soy
yeast
canola oil/rapeseed oil
rice now because of the depopulation people.We need to feed the Chinese.


I can not find an article talking on this so this is just from memory.Do you know why man turns medical plants into oils. Like why do we turn sage seeds into an oil. Why do we turn myrrh plant into myrrh oil. Why do we turn lavender into lavender oil. Why do we turn yin yang plant into the oil. The reason why we turn  all these medical plants into oils. is because oils are more easily absorb by the body and a couple drops can effect the entire body. So the medical properties in the plant work a lot faster when it is turned into an oil and it's effects reaches parts of the body it would not normally effect. So the reason why we turn medical plants into oil.Is So it would effect the body more easily. There are thousands of oils that come from thousands of plants.

All of the foods that have been genetically modified besides rice are foods that are more easily absorb by the body and effect nearly the entire body when eaten.
Corn is turned into corn syrup. Corn syrup does the same thing as oils it is more easily absorb by the body and effects nearly the entire body when eaten. Same with yeast. yeast effect almost the entire body when eaten.Soy effects nearly the entire body when consumed. Canola oil effect's the entire body when consumed. Rice is because they are always complain about overpopulation. It is the exception.

I believe They chose foods that are more easily effected by the body and effect the entire body so the effects can damage us more easily.

Just like how man chose to turn medical plants into oil's so it would effect the body more easily but positive effect us,



I can not find an article that talks about why we turn plants into oils. This is from memory. I probably heard about this in a book or something. I don't remember where i originally heard this.

I found liquid being more easily to absorb


Concern 2

They said smoking was safe, They lied. They could be lying here to.



Concern 3

Plants have medical properties in them. What would the medical properties do when you change the dna in a plant. Lets say a plant helped with the kidney. Could the medical properties damage the kidney ow because they screwed up with the medicine and it damages you.

canola oil helps with the brain

Improves Brain Function
Cognitive function declines as we age, manifested in conditions like Alzheimer’s disease and dementia. The antioxidants that combat free radicals also prevent damage to the brain, which can shut down neural connections and lead to these conditions.
Could this effect cause damage to the brain instead of healing it because we tampered with it's DNA.







here is a list of plants that are turned into oil. This is noway all of them/ This is a small list.


The spice star anise is distilled to make star anise oil



Published:
Thank you, crossed, for making this debate!

I will now begin to rebut my opponent’s points, then I will give some reasons why GMO products can be “trusted.”

Resolution: 

Resolved: “We Should not trust GMO. Even if there is no Study saying they are harmful.”

My opponent must defend the claim that, even if there is absolutely no evidence contributing to his stance, we should not trust GMOs.

I must criticize the inherent nature of this resolution. In order to evaluate ideas and claims, we must compare how hypotheses pair with real world evidence, which are often summarized in the form of scientific studies. 

To not have evidence to support an assertion is actually evidence against that assertion. RationalWiki sums up the explanation:
“This is because we are significantly more likely not to see evidence for a hypothesis when it is false than not to see it when it's true — some assertions demand that the universe be screaming with supporting evidence, so when that evidence is not actually observed, it counts against it. The idea is often, but fallaciously, summarized as "absence of evidence is evidence of absence."
In other words, this very resolution is flawed. If there is an absence of evidence, my opponent’s claim has been negated through sheer probability. Since my opponent provides no direct basis for his claim in his case, my opponent does not fulfill the criteria for you to affirm even if I decided not to publish this rebuttal.

That said, I will move onto his concerns.

A/2 Concern 1:

America has been made stupid because of our food problem. We have seen a mental illness rise like never before. We have poor souls that are 800 pounds. Plus this generation is the dumbest generation to have ever exist.This is all because our goverment poisons are food supply with insane chemicals. The average babies born today is born with 300 man made chemicals. 

This is an assertion provided with no evidence. Even if it were to be believed, this is an example of Correlation/Causation fallacy. In other words, my opponent does not give any evidence that "stupidity" is increasing because of an increase in GMOs or chemicals, nor does he prove that the government is actively involved with this process. All he asserts is that both are increasing. This correlation could be explained with other causations, for example natural selection is playing less of a role in society due to an increase in healthcare. (1) The government is also not directly involved with food production, as that is left up to private corporations within the US. Since the causation can not be determined to be one singular thing, this argument is thrown out the window.

Further, Occam’s Razor states that that which has the fewest adjustable parameters (least assumptions) should be chosen. Things that can only exist with innumerable adjustable parameters cannot be labeled “probable” under Occam’s Razor. The giant, improbable assumption that the government wants to poison us directly opposes Occam's Razor, therefore this argument does not hold water.

All of the foods that have been genetically modified besides rice are foods that are more easily absorb by the body and effect nearly the entire body when eaten.
Corn is turned into corn syrup. Corn syrup does the same thing as oils it is more easily absorb by the body and effects nearly the entire body when eaten. Same with yeast. yeast effect almost the entire body when eaten.Soy effects nearly the entire body when consumed. Canola oil effect's the entire body when consumed. Rice is because they are always complain about overpopulation. It is the exception.

I believe They chose foods that are more easily effected by the body and effect the entire body so the effects can damage us more easily.
I'm not sure what Pro is really arguing here or why it should matter. Sure, these are some of the many foods that, when eaten, effect the entire body. Hate to break it to you, but ALL foods effect the entire body. Further, the government is NOT directly involved with food production, as that is left up to private corporations within the US. Therefore, it is impossible for the government to be choosing anything regarding this. Why would "they" be motivated to "damage us?" Governments need a functioning society to have a stable economy! How do you know this choice happened? Where is your evidence?! 

More correlation without causation. Even IF I bought the idea that these foods are easily absorbed on purpose, (then again I don't see many people drinking corn syrup) that does NOTHING to prove whether some completely undefined entity purposely designed them to kill us. 

When considering all of the above problems, it becomes clear that Pro's argument does not align with Occam's Razor here.

A/2 Concern 2:

They said smoking was safe, They lied. They could be lying here to.
Can you prove that they purposely lied about smoking's health effects? I would say that the misconceptions about smoking were most likely borne out of ignorance, not intentional mass genocide. More correlation without causation!

Occam's Razor is on fire here as well. This is a huge conspiracy of which there is no evidence for. In other words, very improbable. 

A/2 Concern 3

Plants have medical properties in them. What would the medical properties do when you change the dna in a plant. Lets say a plant helped with the kidney. Could the medical properties damage the kidney ow because they screwed up with the medicine and it damages you.

canola oil helps with the brain
Could this effect cause damage to the brain instead of healing it because we tampered with it's DNA.
That's simply not how genetics works. If I change a strand of DNA it could have any number of effects, positive and negative. It is not as if I change a DNA strand slightly and it immediately has the inverse effects of the original strand. Nor is it a given that the government will be tampering with canola oil DNA in the first place. Instead, once again, that typically is left up to private corporations and research institutes. Even if the government DID do such a thing, the side effects of brain damage would be considered so severe that the altercation would not be allowed to be used in our food. To say that the government would determine otherwise requires evidence from you. As it stands, Occam's Razor is on fire here.

Now that this is established, here are some good reasons to trust GMO:

Here is just a short list from MedicinePlus
The possible benefits of genetic engineering include:

  • More nutritious food
  • Tastier food
  • Disease- and drought-resistant plants that require fewer environmental resources (such as water and fertilizer)
  • Less use of pesticides
  • Increased supply of food with reduced cost and longer shelf life
  • Faster growing plants and animals
  • Food with more desirable traits, such as potatoes that produce less of a cancer-causing substance when fried
  • Medicinal foods that could be used as vaccines or other medicines
In fact, plants that were created to be resistant to drought and heat through GMOs could be used to spur the agriculture industry Africa, a place where agriculture has a hard time because of those factors. (2) In turn, millions could be given food to eat that otherwise would not have in the status quo.

For these reasons, negating is simply rational. Thank you.
Round 2
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Is your profile pic a person who is invisible.Is that why he is wherein those weird cloth's.I know this is random
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I forgot a source. It's 200 not 300
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/newborn-babies-chemicals-exposure-bpa/
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