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The moon does take 27.3 to revolve around the earth and is 27.3 compared to the size of earth. the other 27.3 in other things count to. Will also talk about 7.

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Con dismissed my articles because he did his own math. Cons math is unreliable. I procrastinated on doing this debate again. I was stupid and thought oral was not mouth. Plus i wanted to debate Theatheist but he is not here so and he just repeated you and just repeated your number over and over again.
The article i will be used was originally posted to janesix all credit goes to her. I actually wanted her to do this debate but she disappeared
Round 1
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Thanks for taking the time. When you did your last debate you did our own math and got 27.25 exactly one fourth. It is a strange coincidence that it just happened to one fourth. So even if your is true it still god.



Here is the extensive list of thing that run on 273. Janesix deserves all credit here.I wanted her to do this debate but she disappeared. She found this site credit to her.


Moonatic was right

Add to the fact the moon takes 27.3 days to orbit Earth and just so happens to be 27.3% the comparitive size of the earth!! YES, THAT'S RIGHT. READ IT AGAIN MORONS. I mean...wake up. The earth has 365/366 days to orbit the sun and yet it is 366% larger than our moon! I MEAN.....WTF"


  • The ratio of Earth’s diameter to Moon’s diameter is 0.273.  (The moon is 27.3 % the size of the Earth).
  • Comparing a square’s perimeter to a circle having an equal circumference, the circle’s diameter is 27.3% longer than the edge of the square. (easier to visualize in the illustration).
  • Inscribe a circle inside a square.  The four corners make up 27.32% of the total area.
  • This is reached through the formula: (4 – pi) / pi = 0.2732
  • The relationship  of  the Great Pyramid’s  height to half its base is 1.273:1 (or 4:π) and thus ‘squares the circle’.
  • -273.2 degrees Celsius is the temperature of Absolute Zero.
  • 27.32 is the freezing point of water on Kelvin scale (K).
  • Absolute zero of water is 273.2% colder than the temperature it takes to boil.
  • 273 days = average length of pregnancy (10 sidereal months).
  • 27.3 days = human menstrual cycle.
  • 27.32 earth days is the sidereal period of the moon (moon completes one full rotation, one ‘moonth’).
  • 1/273.2 per C is the expansion/reduction of gas (Gasses expand by 1/273 of their volume with every degree on the Celsius/centigrade scale).
  • Sunspots  revolve   about  the  Sun’s  surface  in  27.3  days.
  • Water  changes  phase  at  273°K.
  • 273  days  from   the  summer  solstice  to  the  vernal  equinox.
  • 2,730,000 is the circumference of the Sun in miles.
  • The triple point of water is defined to take place at 273.16 K.
  • The Cosmic Background Radiation is 2.73 K.
  • The Earth and Moon orbital periods are reciprocals.  1/27.32 = 0.0366 (366 days in a sidereal year) (1/366 =.002732) 27.32 days in one ‘moonth’.
  • 273 m/s2 = acceleration of the Sun.
  • .273 cm/s2 = acceleration of the moon along its path around the Earth.



Boy i wonder Why the Egyptians created all there pyramids with 273

27.32 is  pi-pyramids

Pi-Pyramid is constructed using a Circle with the same circumference as the sum of all four sides of it’s Square base, the circle is then interpolated as its Height, which is 4/Pi (1.27324…)

A pi-pyramid is one of the three pyramids of giza it is 27.3



Amongst so many others the Great Pyramid repeats the all important number 27.3, a kingly number amongst the most noblest of numbers. Too many ancient sites to mention encode the number 27.3 through their dimensions. They are catalogued throughout my series, An Ancient Legacy:


3) Pi-Pyramid is constructed using a Circle with the same circumference as the sum of all four sides of it’s Square base, the circle is then interpolated as its Height, which is 4/Pi (1.27324…)


 
is 27.3 percent, and the orbit of the Moon takes 27.3 days. Sidereal rotation period 27.321582 d (synchronous). 27.3 days is also the average rotation period of a sunspot. Great Pyramid has Base to Height ratio 440/280 = 11/7 = 1.5714285 which is almost perfect approximation of 1/2 Pi: 3.142857.

The ancient Egyptians built
 
pyramids but the pyramids keep repeating 273 because the Egyptians were mirroring gods 273.




Its like how the Egyptians created there pyramids.

God created life and his creations repeating 273.



God created the precise number 273 so the Egyptians copied them and used 273.



Amongst so many others the Great Pyramid repeats the all important number 27.3, a kingly number amongst the most noblest of numbers. Too many ancient sites to mention encode the number 27.3 through their dimensions. They are catalogued throughout my series, An Ancient Legacy:




The Egyptians made there pyramids 273 to mirror gods 273.


Asteroid belt to sun is 273AU
Because god measured the AU

mercury to venus is 273 AU

Because god measured the AU

Then Venus to earth is 273 AU
Because god measured the AU


Read that again

I can see con dismissing all this by saying y source believe in conspiracy theory's like pizza gate. I believe in Pizza-gate.You can not say someone is unreliable because of there views.
Published:
thanks, crossed, for instigating this debate.

RESOLVED: The moon does take 27.3 to revolve around the earth and is 27.3 compared to the size of earth. the other 27.3 in other things count to. Will also talk about 7.

OBJECTION:  PRO's resolution is grammatically unparsable. 

BURDEN of PROOF

Wikipedia suggests:

"When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo.  This is also stated in Hitchens's razor.". [1]

In this case, PRO as instigator and claimant bears the entire responsibility of proof.

CON interprets the resolution (using R1 arguments for context) to mean that the repetition of the number 273 in nature is evidence of intelligent design and ergo, God.  PRO must do more than merely recount instances of the number 273 in nature, PRO must demonstrate why the use of 273 is more intelligent that the use of say 272 or 274.  PRO must also demonstrate that an intelligently designed universe proves God as designer as opposed to alternative intelligences- hyper advanced aliens, for example, or a Matrix-type computer generated simulacrum universe for another.

I.  Moonatic was right

  • For clarity, let's note that PRO is not citing the good information found in the EarthSky website which refutes PRO's argument fairly effectively.  PRO is citing a comment posted to the bottom of the article 7 years ago by username "Moonatic" who claims that the moon is inhabited and actively observing us.  Moonatic's evidence is personal telepathic reconnaissance. [2]
    • Moonatic and PRO seem not to have read the article that Moonatic is commenting about because that article soundly notes:
No one knows the odds, because no one knows how many planets and moons there are in space. Astronomers have discovered 893 planets in distant solar systems so far (as of June 21, 2013), and we don’t know much about their moons.

By the way, although it’s fascinating that they are so similar, the sun and moon aren’t always the same size as seen from Earth. In fact, the moon and sun are rarely exactly the same size. The moon’s distance from Earth varies slightly over the course of a single month. So the moon’s apparent size in our sky is always changing.
Moonatic's claim that regarding odds is refuted.  Until humanity has a rough approximation of how many planets are in the universe and can calculate an appropriate sampling size no human can approximate the odds of solar/lunar similarity as seen from various planets.  Moonatic's claim for high improbability has no observational basis.

II. An (uncovincing) Juggle of Numbers

The ratio of Earth’s diameter to Moon’s diameter is 0.273.  
Depends on where you take the measurement.

  • The Earth's equatorial diameter is 12,756 km[2] 
  • The Moon's equatorial diameter is  3,474 km. [3]
3474/12756=0.2723

 (The moon is 27.3 % the size of the Earth).
  • False.  PRO needs to define size.
"What about surface area? The surface area of the Moon is 37.9 million square kilometers. That sounds like a lot, but it’s actually smaller than the continent of Asia, which is only 44.4 million square km. The surface ares of the whole Earth is 510 million square km, so the area of the Moon compared to Earth is only 7.4%.

How about volume? The volume of the Moon is 21.9 billion cubic km. Again, that sounds like a huge number, but the volume of the Earth is more like 1 trillion cubic kilometers. So the volume of the Moon is only 2% compared to the volume of the Earth.

Finally, let’s take a look at mass. The mass of the Moon is 7.347 x 1022 kg. But the Earth is much more massive. The mass of the Earth is 5.97x 1024 kg. This means that the mass of the Moon is only 1.2% of the mass of the Earth. You would need 81 objects with the mass of the Moon to match the mass of the Earth.
The average diameter of the reference spheroid is 12,742 kilometres? [4]

Inscribe a circle inside a square.  The four corners make up 27.32% of the total area.  This is reached through the formula: (4 – pi) / pi = 0.2732
  • We can be certain PRO's formula is wrong because it contains no variable
  • The diameter of this circle will be equal to the side of the square.  So, area of this circle:   Ratio of the square to the circle inscribed in it: x(squared):  = 4: 
  • so if the side of square which is also the diameter of the circle is 5, the area of the square is 25 and the area of the circle is 19.625.  25 - 19.625= 5.375
  • 5.375 is 21.5% of 25
  • 4 - [pi] = .86.  .86/4=0.215 21.5% again.  The area of a square minus the area of the circle circumscribed by that square is 21.5% of the square's total area, not 27.32% as asserted by PRO.
  • Here's another example: https://sciencing.com/area-part-square-circle-middle-8166634.html
  • PRO's formula and assertion are false.
The relationship  of  the Great Pyramid’s  height to half its base is 1.273:1 (or 4:π) and thus ‘squares the circle’
-273.2 degrees Celsius is the temperature of Absolute Zero
27.32 is the freezing point of water on Kelvin scale (K)
Absolute zero of water is 273.2% colder than the temperature it takes to boil.
The triple point of water is defined to take place at 273.16 K.
1/273.2 per C is the expansion/reduction of gas (Gasses expand by 1/273 of their volume with every degree on the Celsius/centigrade scale).
Water  changes  phase  at  273°K.
  • PRO is rounding up but this is one number that you can't round.  -273.15 Celsius is the temperature at which all the particles of a molecule of ideal gas cease movement.  At -273.2- the molecule is still vibrating and by definition, not Absolute Zero. [7]  So, PRO's second stat is both inaccurately rounded but also suffers from a misplaced decimal point.  The last four data points are just different ways of expressing the same fact in scale (Kelvin).

273 days = average length of pregnancy (10 sidereal months).
  • This is inaccurate.  Wikipedia advises:

"Childbirth on average occurs at a gestational age of 280 days[8]

27.3 days = human menstrual cycle.
  • There are no decimal points in the menstrual cycle:  
The menstrual cycle, which is counted from the first day of one period to the first day of the next, isn't the same for every woman. Menstrual flow might occur every 21 to 35 days and last two to seven days. [9]

"The typical length of time between the first day of one period and the first day of the next is 21 to 45 days in young women and 21 to 35 days in adults (an average of 28 days." [10]

Sunspots  revolve   about  the  Sun’s  surface  in  27.3  days.
The Sun rotates at different speeds at different latitudes.  With careful observation, PRO might find a particular sunspot for which his statement proves true but the generalization is quite misleading.

The Sun rotates faster at its equator than at its poles. This differential rotation is caused by convective motion due to heat transport and the Coriolis force due to the Sun's rotation. In a frame of reference defined by the stars, the rotational period is approximately 25.6 days at the equator and 33.5 days at the poles. Viewed from Earth as it orbits the Sun, the apparent rotational period of the Sun at its equator is about 28 days. [11]

273  days  from   the  summer  solstice  to  the  vernal  equinox.
That is only sometimes true.  In 2019, the Summer solstice took place on June 21 and the 2020 Vernal Equinox will be Mar 19- 272 days in a leap year.

2,730,000 is the circumference of the Sun in miles.

"The sun's circumference is about 2,713,406 miles (4,366,813 km)."
  • No intelligent designer would employ British Imperial units which were historically inexact and variable.  The English mile is derived from the distance a team of oxen could plow without resting. Let us assume that any intelligent would measure in meters, derived from the invariable measure of the speed of light. 
The Cosmic Background Radiation is 2.73 K.
  • PRO is again preferentially rounding numbers that are rendered woefully inaccurate by that rounding.
"The CMB has a thermal black body spectrum at a temperature of 2.72548±0.00057 K."
  • PRO's rounded number falls outside of the range of measurement.
The Earth and Moon orbital periods are reciprocals.  1/27.32 = 0.0366 (366 days in a sidereal year) (1/366 =.002732) 27.32 days in one ‘moonth’.
  • PRO is defining a day on Earth and calling it a coincidence.
  • A Julian year is  86400 seconds or 365.242 days.  A sidereal year is 87624 seconds or 365.256 days.  Neither should be rounded to 366 which renders PRO's claim of reciprocity less accurate.
273 m/s2 = acceleration of the Sun.
  • The Sun's gravitiational acceleration is 28.02g or  (28.02*9.8) 274.6 m/s2 [12]

 Great Pyramid has Base to Height ratio 440/280 = 11/7 = 1.5714285 which is almost perfect approximation of 1/2 Pi: 3.142857.
  • see base, height, ratio assertions all refuted above.
  • an almost perfect approximation is a self-cancelling, meaningless descriptor.  The number 1 is an almost perfect approximation of the number 2.  

Asteroid belt to sun is 273AU
between 2.2 and 3.2 AU [13]

mercury to venus is 273 AU
Then Venus to earth is 273 AU
Ouch.  One AU is the distance from the Sun to the Earth so these distances are obviously less than one AU. [14]

 I believe in Pizza-gate.
Yes, that figures. 

CON looks forward to PRO's R2 replies.   Links in comments.
Round 2
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Thanks for responding. Sorry for procrastinating

Burden of proof

Pro prove that there are 2.73 numbers and that god did it.Con there are no 2.73 numbers. Or there are 2.73 numbers but it has nothing to do with God.Your choice.Proof of god would be intelligent design. This debate is not weather the intelligent design is aliens or something.

The user nemiroff say's  the YouTube crash course is reliable. Crash course talked about Averegro constant.

Crash course said this
6.02 x 10^23 molecules per gram

This is another way to say 2.73 according to below.



“Avogadro’s Number” and was expressed as 2.73 x 10^26 molecules per pound, but is now more commonly known as “Avogadro’s Constant” and is expressed as 6.02 x 10^23 molecules per gram.


Con takes numbers from universal today and does his own math. The numbers from Wikipedia was not doing him to hot. Anyway clearly con did wrong since the site that he sourced supports some of my 2.73 stuff.

The source that con got his info from said this

Universe Today. Space and astronomy news. Tag: The Big Bang. ... These anomalies are regions in the CMB that fall beneath the average background temperature of 2.73 degrees above absolute zero ...

Let me remind you of the other 2.73 stuff


  • -273.2 degrees Celsius is the temperature of Absolute Zero.
  • 27.32 is the freezing point of water on Kelvin scale (K).
  • Absolute zero of water is 273.2% colder than the temperature it takes to boil.
  • The Cosmic Background Radiation is 2.73 K.


    Clearly God  fined tuned all the temperatures.That is my argument god fined tuned temperature

    My bad math

     (The moon is 27.3 % the size of the Earth).
    • False.  PRO needs to define size.

    The moon is 27.3 percent compared to the size of the earth


    pyramids

    We can be certain PRO's formula is wrong because it contains no variable


    No it has variables i only copied and pasted a little but so you get the understanding.It is not measuring how tall it is so you can dismiss all of cons math.
    The three pyramids were built to represent the three angles. Perfect pyramid pi pyramid and phy pyramid



    1) Phi-Pyramid has a Mid-Base-Side to Apex length of the ‘golden ratio’ of Phi, and a Height equal to the square root of Phi (1.27202…)
    2) 14/11-Pyramid has a Height of 14/11 (1.27273…)
    3) Pi-Pyramid is constructed using a Circle with the same circumference as the sum of all four sides of it’s Square base, the circle is then interpolated as its Height, which is 4/Pi (1.27324…


    Point 27.3


    d.  -273.15 Celsius is the temperature at which all the particles of a molecule of ideal gas cease movement.  At -273.2- the molecule is still vibrating and by definition, not Absolute Zero. [7]  So, PRO's second stat is both inaccurately rounded but also suffers from a misplaced decimal point. 

    I am saying that these numbers have been dialed to 273. It is not dissqaulified if it has a couple decimals.OR if those decimals are rounded

    Avergregro constant is 2.73159732 which is a pound.


    Charles law is heat expands at 1 over 273.per unit of temperature. Do you see the pattern

    The last four data points are just different ways of expressing the same fact in scale (Kelvin).
    All of our temperature's work on a 2.73 cycle. It still has 273 why. Because it is a divine number


    Cycles

    the cycle of lightning is 27.3.

    Also a 2.73 GH cycle

    Atmospheric tides work on a 27.3 day cycle. God fined tuned both



    he major public buildings, cathedrals, mosques as well as Hindu and Buddhist temples keep repeating the ancient temple proportions that include dimensions of 27.3 in key ancient units of measurement. The so called modern foot being an ancient unit of measure, no less but more likely much older than 2500 years old.
    Why do they repeat this number 273. Its because it is divine


    -273.15 is absolute zero


    Charles law of heat expands at 1 over 273


    other temperature 273 numbers.


    Too many ancient sites to mention encode the number 27.3 through their dimensions.


    Con try's to dismiss the Au points but Wrong AU


    Sidereal pregnancy

    i said
    273 days = average length of pregnancy (10 sidereal months).

    con said
    • This is inaccurate.  Wikipedia advises:
    con said
    "Childbirth on average occurs at a gestational age of 280 days[8]
    My reply side real months times this by 10.

    The length of the sidereal month is 27.321 days or 27 days



    Side real day

    There are no decimal points in the menstrual cycle:  
    The decimal point signify how many minutes. Minutes go by in a menstrual cycle. So yes it does

    Moonatic
    He trashed monastic because he disagrees and he says it is bad because comment. but why is comment quote bad.He says the article debunks moonatic but it is the other way around, He commented to debunk article.


    New points

    Extended all dropped points


    Cycles

    the cycle of lightning is 27.3.

    Also a 2.73 GH cycle

    Atmospheric tides work on a 27.3 day cycle. God fined tuned both


    menstrual cycle is 27.3 days in sidereal days.


    human fertility  cycle run in harmony with it to because god fine tuned

    helosperic current runs on 27.3 days



    I will bring more 273 points next round over to con



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    don't you want to go back and fix the 20 or so errors in R1 arguments before producing new erroneous statements?
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    https://youtu.be/UL1jmJaUkaQ?t=342
    “Avogadro’s Number” and was expressed as 2.73 x 10^26 molecules per pound, but is now more commonly known as “Avogadro’s Constant” and is expressed as 6.02 x 10^23 molecules per gram.
    http://www.hackingtheuniverse.com/science/history-of-science-and-technology/era-first-industrial/1776-avogadro-bio
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    [1]]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)
    [2]https://www.universetoday.com/15055/diameter-of-earth/
    [3]https://www.universetoday.com/19677/diameter-of-the-moon/
    [4]https://www.universetoday.com/20489/moon-compared-to-earth/
    [5]https://sciencing.com/area-part-square-circle-middle-8166634.html
    [6]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza
    [7]https://www.sciencedaily.com/terms/absolute_zero.htm
    [8]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnancy
    [9]https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/womens-health/in-depth/menstrual-cycle/art-20047186
    [10]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menstrual_cycle
    [11]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun
    [12]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_gravity
    [13]https://theplanets.org/asteroid-belt/
    [14]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomical_unit
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    https://youtu.be/ERvDMwuwfaU?t=651
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