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Your profile says you live in Antarctica and you have an alien profile pic. With the alien in Antarctica being pushed by mainstream media this is very weird .
The new York post wrote this.
https://nypost.com/2017/12/11/discovery-in-antarctica-changes-everything-we-know-about-aliens/
similar Antarctica aliens article
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/618769/Antarctic-UFO-mystery-deepens-after-researchers-find-tanks-guarding-alien-crash-site
Why are so any mainstream outlets saying there could be aliens in Antarctica. What is going on.
In ancient books like the book of Enoch that are not cannon.
It says god chained a bunch of demons in a frozen desert. and they would be released in the last day.
https://youtu.be/Bez4DKZI7yU
Round 1
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Many celebrity's spent the 2016 elections the day president trump won in Antarctica.

For example john Kerry our secretary of state went to Antarctica.



On Election Day, the Secretary of State was headed out of town
Now we did not need to know that our politicians are ruled by demons. Even though they have fooled people. Many conspiracy theorist believe that our politicians are lizard People. The real answer is not aliens but demons. I believe the demon just casted an illusion of a lizard to trick the person into thinking he was an alien. So he would say Hillary Clinton is a lizard person and discredit himself. So no one catches on that most of our politicians are possessed by demons.

Weird books like the book of Enoch. Not cannon has some weird stuff that can not be true. But i believe there is truth in legends. The book says some demons were imprisoned in Antarctica.


Now i can hear you asking There aliens. If they are aliens why would they stay in Antarctica. All of these paranormal activity's happen in Antarctica. If they are aliens. They would be able to leave. But these being can not leave Antarctica. They are trapped in Antarctica. Because these entity are trapped. If they were aliens they would not be trapped. These demons have been sealed there by god.


Even the Nazis went to Antarctica during WW2

Hitler went to Antarctica looking for ancient relics with magic powers.
Remember Hitler Got his idea's about ruling Germany is because he went to a hypnotist

Did a hypnotist who treated Adolf Hitler for shell shock in 1918 by using his 'desire to be like a God' help spark the Second World War?
Why does Hitler hate god's chosen people so much. Could it be because he visited  a hypnotist and  demons gave him the idea.

Hitler see's a hypnotist. After hypnotist he believe he will rule Germany.Could Hitler have gotten visions of glory from demon's.

This is proof it was not aliens but demons. Because demons give hypnotist powers. Plus demons could have given Hitler vision of glory.


Conclusion

Celebrity's went to Antarctica. Hitler went to Antarctica. people think he did because of aliens. This is proven false because direct evidence of demon activity is found. When Hitler gets his vision of ruling Germany after seeing a hypnotist. Hypnotist is proof that it is demon encounters and not aliens.


Here is some footage of the Antarctica base.



The rest of my argument will be taken from this video

.After John Kerry went to Antarctica on election day. He goes to new Zealand and there was an earthquake. Perhaps Gods judgement at work. A religious leader went to Antarctica


It is believe the ark of Gabriel was taken from Antarctica. Killing 2000 people. The Russian main stream media presented this ark of Gabriel information as fact.The mainstream media in Russia said it was a fact that Russia had a special mission and they took something called the ark of Gabriel.




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Let's note that PRO argument is so scattered that laying down a single arguable proposition is difficult.  CON best effort amounts to:

RESOLUTION:  JOHN KERRY and ADOLPH HITLER ARE LIZARD PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY ALIENS WHO ARE ACTUALLY DEMONS TRAPPED in ANTARTICA.

DEFINITIONS

JOHN FORBES KERRY is "an American politician who served as the 68th United States Secretary of State from 2013 to 2017. A member of the Democratic Party, he previously served as a United States Senator from Massachusetts from 1985 until 2013. He was the Democratic nominee in the 2004 presidential election, losing to Republican incumbent George W. Bush." [1]

ADOLF HITLER was "a German politician and leader of the Nazi Party.  He rose to power as Chancellor of Germany in 1933, and as Führer in 1934.  During his dictatorship from 1933 to 1945, he initiated World War II in Europe by invading Poland on 1 September 1939. He was closely involved in military operations throughout the war and was central to the perpetration of the Holocaust." [2]

REPTILIANS (also called reptoids, lizard people, reptiloids, saurians, Draconians) are "purported reptilian humanoids that play a prominent role in fantasy, science fiction, ufology, and conspiracy theories.  The idea of reptilians was popularised by David Icke, a conspiracy theorist who claims shape-shifting reptilian aliens control Earth by taking on human form and gaining political power to manipulate human societies. Icke has stated on multiple occasions that many world leaders are, or are possessed by, so-called reptilians." [3]

ALIENS [plural noun] are "any life form of extraterrestrial origin." [4]

DEMONS [plural noun] are "supernatural and often malevolent beings prevalent historically in religion, occultism, literature, fiction, mythology, and folklore; as well as in media such as comics, videogames, movies and television series." [5]

ANTARCTICA is "Earth's southernmost continent." [6]

BURDEN of PROOF

Wikipedia advises:

"When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo.  This is also stated in Hitchens's razor. Carl Sagan proposed a related criterion, the Sagan standard, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." [7]

There can be little doubt that PRO's stacked claims are extraordinary or that the burden of extraordinarily convincing evidence is entirely on PRO to produce. PRO must provide indisputable evidence that John Kerry and Adolph Hitler are/were malevolent beings of supernatural origin. 

CON argues that no argument or evidence provided PRO so far comes near to approaching the requisite standard.

I.  PRO asks:

Why are so any mainstream outlets saying there could be aliens in Antarctica[?]  What is going on[?]
CON denies PRO's premise as false.  Neither of the sources PRO submits as evidence say that there could be aliens in Anatartica.

A.  New York Post

  • PRO failed to read the NY Post article submitted.  The article only states that new micro-organisms discovered in harsh environments expand biologists' assumptions about the extremes in which life is yet possible.  No alien life of any kind is asserted.
B.  Daily Express

  • PRO failed to read the Daily Express article submitted.  The article debunks a 2015 claim that Google Earth images captured a newly discovered spaceship crash site in Antarctica guarded by tanks.  The Express reports that the Google Earth image is a 2011 picture near Williams Field, the air strip for McMurdo Research Station, covered in winter snow.  The "tanks" are Caterpillar tractors used for grooming the runway.
C.  PRO has failed to offer any reliable evidence of mainstream news outlets reporting on Antarctic aliens.

II.  PRO answers:

"the book of Enoch...says god chained a bunch of demons in a frozen desert. and they would be released in the last day."
A.  The BOOK of ENOCH is "an ancient Hebrew apocalyptic religious text, ascribed by tradition to Enoch, the great-grandfather of Noah.  Enoch contains unique material on the origins of demons and giants, why some angels fell from heaven, an explanation of why the Great Flood was morally necessary, and prophetic exposition of the thousand-year reign of the Messiah." [8]

  • CON's best interpretation is that PRO refers to two parts of Chapter X:
"4. And again the Lord said to Raphael: 'Bind Azâzêl hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening in the desert, which is in Dûdâêl, and cast him therein. 5. And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there for ever, and cover his face that he may not see light."
and

"11. And the Lord said unto Michael: 'Go, bind Semjâzâ and his associates who have united themselves with women so as to have defiled themselves with them in all their uncleanness." [9]
  • Nothing about these passages specify Antartica, or frozen deserts.  If PRO is referring to some other passage in Enoch where demons are imprisoned, CON requires specific citation. 
  • Dûdâêl is given as the specific location.  Dûdâêl is "implied to be the prison of all the fallen angels, especially the evil Watchers, the entrance of which is located to the east of Jerusalem.  The way this place is described, Dudael is sometimes considered as a region of the underworld, comparable to Tartarus or Gehenna. [10]
    • By any reckoning, Antarctica is not east of Jerusalem.
  • PRO's YouTube video source calls the idea of Antarctica as Enoch's demonic prison, "conjecture, something to think about."
OBJECTIONPRO submitted 4 sources in the description of this debate.  PRO failed to accurately characterize the content of all 4 sources, none of which had a particular reputation for reliable reporting before PRO's unwarranted misrepresentations.  It seems very likely that PRO did not review sources for content before submission.

III. JOHN KERRY

A. PRO asserts:

"Many celebrity's spent the 2016 elections the day president trump won in Antarctica."
  • CON finds no evidence that any particularly famous person except for John Kerry visited Antarctica in Novemeber 2016.  PRO has shown no evidence of "many celebrities."

B. PRO asserts:

"I believe the demon [Kerry] just casted an illusion of a lizard to trick the person into thinking he was an alien. So he would say Hillary Clinton is a lizard person and discredit himself. So no one catches on that most of our politicians are possessed by demons."
  • Belief is not proof.  PRO has failed to find any evidence.

C.  PRO asserts:

"If they are aliens. They would be able to leave. But these being can not leave Antarctica. They are trapped in Antarctica. Because these entity are trapped. If they were aliens they would not be trapped. These demons have been sealed there by god."
  • PRO disproves PRO's theory that John Kerry is a demon. Since PRO insists that demons are sealed under Antarctica until the end of the world. 
    • John Kerry could not have served as a Captain in the Vietnam war, earning many distinguished honors including 3 Purple Hearts while sealed beneath Antarctica.
    • Likewise, John Kerry could not have served as US Senator, presidential candidate, and Secretary of State while sealed beneath Antarctica.
D. Therefore, John Kerry is not a demon by PRO's own evidence.

IV.  Adolph Hitler

A. PRO asserts:

"Hitler went to Antarctica looking for ancient relics with magic powers."
  • Hitler never went to Antarctica.  The first German expedition to Antarctica was in 1938-39, after Germany's invasion of Czechoslovakia.  Hitler's whereabouts are well documented from 1938 until his death in 1945.
B.  PRO asserts:

"Hitler Got his idea's about ruling Germany is because he went to a hypnotist...demons give hypnotist powers."
  • "There are no documents to prove that Forster and Hitler, who were still completely unknown at the time, really met each other in Pasewalk.  In 1933 - after the National Socialist government - Forster was accused of favoring Jewish doctors. On August 31, 1933 he was suspended for alleged statements against National Socialism from the service and committed suicide a few days later." [11]
  • So, whether or not the Edmund Forster (the hypnotist)'s story was true, his politics were entirely out of line with Hitler's.
  • PRO offers no evidence that hypnotism can instill autocratic sentiments into people.
  • PRO offers no evidence that demons have magic powers or that one of those powers is to give humans the power of hypnotism.
  • If demons were sealed in Antarctica before the rise of mankind, as PRO asserts, they would not be able to visit German hypnotists in the 20th century.
  • PRO disproves PRO's theory that Adolph Hitler is a demon. Since PRO insists that demons are sealed under Antarctica until the end of the world. 
    • Adolph Hitler could not have served as a Corporal in WWI, earning several distinguished honors including the Iron Cross while sealed beneath Antarctica.
    • Likewise, Adolph Hitler could not have  served as German Chancellor, Furher, and perpetrator of the Holocaust while sealed beneath Antarctica.
C.   Therefore, Adolph Hitler is not a demon by PRO's own evidence.

CON looks forward to PRO's R2 reply

Round 2
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Thank you con.



purpose of debate.
You had an alien profile pic and your profile page said you lived in Antarctica.I assumed you were in on the alien bandwagon that the mainstream media has been pushing. So i challenged you to a debate on it. I should have been more clear.you were suppose to be on the alien side and i was to say they are demons.That is why my article i sourced were anti alien.but pro demons If you want to disprove both. that is fine. I only want to do the there  demons not aliens.Sorry if you do not want to do it. I will happily forfeit if you want me to. only if you do not want to continue. Since i assume you are very concerned over your leader-board.This is only if you do not want to continue.I should have been more clear




CON denies PRO's premise as false.  Neither of the sources PRO submits as evidence say that there could be aliens in Anatartica.
I should have made your role more. You on alien side i am on demon side.If you want to dismiss both and hoaxes and i argue that these are demon encounter then we will go ahead with the debate.



  • CON's best interpretation is that PRO refers to two parts of Chapter X:
i am sorry i was going off memory.Which has been getting unreliable for me.Anyway According to the book of Enoch which is not cannon in scripture god.enoch describes a certain place.THis place seems to exist as he describes a region in Antarctica accurately.He mention one of the mountains in antartica.plus talks about how day and night were burning.meaning it was day 24/7.Which the only places in the world that have 24 hour daylight are frozen deserts.

Antarctica during the Southern Hemisphere summer season when there is 24 hour sunlight.
  • Dûdâêl is given as the specific location.  Dûdâêl is "implied to be the prison of all the fallen angels, especially the evil Watchers, the entrance of which is located to the east of Jerusalem.  The way this place is described, Dudael is sometimes considered as a region of the underworld, comparable to Tartarus or Gehenna. [10]
    • By any reckoning, Antarctica is not east of Jerusalem
    This is wrong.The book of Enoch takes place with Noah great great great great great great great  grandfather enoch.Which is the son of Cain. which is the son of adam and eve. SO humanity is not that old.Enoch is only the third generation.Adam and eve were probably  alive when Enoch was probably born.This is a very very long time before the founding of Jerusalem and gods promise with Abraham .This is years before Jerusalem was a thing.This is the first generation



    Hypnotist


    Given that the hypnotist committed suicide.It is probably true.

    Given that all the documentation was covered up and destroyed it is likely to be true.if it was false why would the evidence be destroyed.

    Whatever was done to Hitler under Dr. Forster's care will never be 100% certain due to the fact that in 1933 the Gestapo seized all psychiatric records related to Hitler's treatment and destroyed them. Forster 'committed suicide' the same year - the official cause was listed as suicide anyway.


    I extend my point about the demon stuff about how it is likely to be demons over aliens.That con dismissed because they were anti alien.



    old points


    .After John Kerry went to Antarctica on election day. He goes to new Zealand and there was an earthquake. Perhaps Gods judgement at work. A religious leader went to Antarctica
    note john Kerry probably believes he met with aliens. Along with there other strange visitor.



    It is believe the ark of Gabriel was taken from Antarctica. Killing 2000 people. The Russian main stream media presented this ark of Gabriel information as fact.The mainstream media in Russia said it was a fact that Russia had a special mission and they took something called the ark of Gabriel.


    I will add more in the last round if con want to continue.He thought he signed up for something different. I want to continue.


    yes the mainstream media is pushing aliens.There are a bunch of tv show on aliens on the history channle.Ancient aliens project blue book. history channel. Trump talked about aliens And the are quote on quote researching ufo.


    Earlier this week, the New York Times'Amy Chozickreported on Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton's belief that alien life may be out there
    it is being pushed as an agenda

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    Thanks, crossed, for clarifying the purpose of this debate.  Be advised that my profile pic seldom presages my editorial position in future debates.

    So long as CON (crossed) is still advocating the position that John Kerry and Adolph Hitler are demons disguised as lizard men trapped in Antarctica until the end of the world and PRO (oromagi) is not required to defend the position that John Kerry and Adolph Hitler are actually extraterrestrials I think we can proceed with sufficient grounds for contest.

    At the top of R1, PRO noted that CON's argument was imparsable to a degree sufficient to defy cohesive summation or coherent rebuttal (or indeed recalling who was PRO and who CON).  PRO has revised thesis in R2 in an effort to update CON's clarified intent:


    RESOLUTION:  JOHN KERRY and ADOLPH HITLER ARE DEMONS TRAPPED in ANTARTICA,  DISGUISED as LIZARD MEN.

    I.  NO ALIENS

    A.  Since neither side now advocates for Antarctica Aliens, CON's NY Post and Daily Express articles and arguments regarding aliens in Antarctica should be set aside. [ That is, R1- PRO:I.A,B, & C]

    II.  CON clarifies Apocryphal evidence

    A.  CON updates the Book of Enoch claims, now specifying Chapter XVIII: lines 5-8.

    5. I saw the winds on the earth carrying the clouds: I saw the paths of the angels.

    6.  I saw at the end of the earth the firmament of the heaven above.   And I proceeded and saw a place which burns day and night, where there are seven mountains of magnificent stones, three towards the east, and three towards the south.

    7. And as for those towards the east, one was of coloured stone, and one of pearl, and one of jacinth, and those towards the south of red stone.

    8. But the middle one reached to heaven like the throne of God, of alabaster, and the summit of the throne was of sapphire. [1]
    • We should note that the Book of the Watchers (including Chapter 18) is estimated to have been written about 300-200 BCE. [2]
    • However, we have no evidence that humans ever visited Antarctica before the 19th century. [3]
    B.  CON argues that "a place that burns day and night " must indicate the unsetting sun of antarctic summer.
    • Why wouldn't Enoch simply describe an icy land where the sun does not set?  Does "burning day and night" really seem like an apt metaphor for the midnight sun effect?
    • A likelier interpretation seems to a description of the underworld through which Enoch must pass to visit Sheol.  In many mythologies, a burning underworld indicates old-world references of to magma.
    C.  The same passages indicate mountains of precious gems, which modern geology refutes. 
    • For example, we now know that pearls are formed by biological processes, not geological.  No entirely pearl geological formation could possibly form under any circumstances.
    • If there really was any good evidence that an entire throne of sapphire topped one of the mountains of Antarctica, many expeditions and resources would be dispatched to claim the object.  PRO is not aware of any such efforts.
    II.  JOHN KERRY

    A.  Let's recall that in R1, PRO argued that John Kerry could not have had maintained his long career of public service while also being trapped in Antarctica until the end of time.

    • CON's own evidence showing that Kerry visited Antarctica in 2016 proves that Kerry is not trapped there and indeed, doesn't even live there.
    • CON argues that Kerry "probably" believes he met with aliens.
      • PRO and CON have agreed there are no aliens in Antarctica
      • CON's link offers no evidence supporting CON's claim.
      • PRO finds no evidence that Kerry has ever met with aliens.
    CON's claim remains disproved by simple common sense and CON's own evidence.  If Kerry was trapped in Antarctica, he could not have fought in Vietnam or run for president, etc.

    III.  Adolph Hitler

    A.  Let's recall that in R1, PRO argued that Adolph Hitler could not have had maintained his very public career as German dictator and perpetrator of World War II while simultaneously being trapped in Antarctica.

    • CON's argument is that
    P1: Demons give hypnotists powers
    P2: Hitler once visited a hypnotist
    C1: Therefore, Hitler is a demon

    • CON offers no evidence that demons give hypnotist powers. In truth, hypnotism is a 19th century concept and CON's testimony is that demons have been trapped in Antarctica since the beginning of humankind, preventing demons from inventing, promulgating the notion of hypnotism to 19th century psychologists.
    • CON argues that because Hitler and  his hypnotist died by suicide and no  evidence or documentation of their interaction remains, Hitler is probably a demon.
      • PRO call that a significant non-sequitur.  Lack of evidence is not necessarily proof of demons.
    IV.  Hillary Clinton

    A.  CON notes that Hillary Clinton believes that extraterrestrial life is possible.

    • Since aliens are not contended by PRO or CON, this information should be disregarded as irrelevant.
    V.  The History Channel

    A.  CON notes that the History Channel does some shows about aliens.
      • Since aliens are not contended by PRO or CON, this information should be disregarded as irrelevant.
      PRO still fails to discern any  compelling evidence that John Kerry and Adolph Hitler are demons trapped in Antarctica.

      CON looks forward to PRO's R3 reply.


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