Instigator / Con
14
1762
rating
45
debates
88.89%
won
Topic
#1487

The EU should accept 5G investments from Chinese tech company Huawei.

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
6
0
Better sources
4
2
Better legibility
2
2
Better conduct
2
0

After 2 votes and with 10 points ahead, the winner is...

MisterChris
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
One week
Max argument characters
12,000
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Pro
4
1294
rating
75
debates
18.0%
won
Description

I negate this resolution. By accepting, you are affirming.

Burden of Proof is shared.

R1- Constructive. Contender may rebut some of my points after they give a constructive in this round, but they MUST posit a constructive of their own.
R2-4- Fluid attack/defense. No set structure here.

Rules are simple:
1.No Kritiks
2.No New arguments made in final round
3.No trolling
4.No getting off topic
5.You must follow the Debate Structure
6.No Plagiarism
**ANY violation of these rules merits a loss**

-->
@Jeff_Goldblum

Hi Jeff, while I sound super formal - it’s an easy mistake ; and an issue we haven’t been able to fully resolve yet, so don’t worry.

Please be aware that there are also rules surrounding voting, and what qualifies as valid. You can take a look here for when you’ve met the voting criteria: https://www.debateart.com/rules

-->
@Ramshutu

No hard feelings about the deleted vote. Sorry for voting when I should not have.

Maybe you've heard something like this before, but it seems like the website simply shouldn't let me vote if I'm not eligible.

-->
@Jeff_Goldblum

*******************************************************************
>Reported Vote: Jeff_Goldblum// Mod action: [Removed]
>Points Awarded: 7 points to con.

>Reason for Decision: Con's arguments were more fleshed out and better structured. In the end, Pro forfeited.

Reason for Mod Action> This vote is not eligible to vote. In order to vote, an account must: (1) Read the site’s COC AND have completed 2 non-troll/non-FF debate OR have 100 forum posts.

*******************************************************************

-->
@billbatard

You are on the green side, which means you are Pro. I understand that you accepted this thinking you are Con to the topic but you're Pro, sorry.

-->
@PoliceSheep

Fair, I may take Pro next time to make the debate more attractive

-->
@MisterChris

It's a good topic - I just happen to agree with you.

-->
@bmdrocks21
@Nemiroff

If no one accepts the Pro position on this, I may make another debate and be Pro to make the debate more attractive.

-->
@Nemiroff

That is one stance, but there are others that I would hope someone on Pro could take. For example, the EU is very much behind in 5G, and China is very much ahead of the US. So in a way, one could paint it as necessary to not "fall behind."

You do point out the core Con position and I would say I agree: I tend to value the security of nations and the denial of Chinese hegemony to be more important than economic profit.

-->
@MisterChris

I would imagine the only real argument for this would be based off pure liberitarian free market principles.

Yes there is little free about china's economy, however that is public knowledge and private compabies have been more then willing to freely hand over their IP in exchange to access to chinese markets.

I am not a liberitarian and am not willing to risk national security for private profits. I believe we as a society have a greater duty to our people, our economy, and our nation, then we have towards some blind, self defeating ideology.

-->
@bmdrocks21

Fair point. I'd hoped that some people would look at an article or two and accept. (Pretty much all the research you need for this.)

-->
@MisterChris

This seems a like a niche topic, which is probably why people aren't accepting.

Bump. No takers on this one?