Instigator / Pro
4
1294
rating
75
debates
18.0%
won
Topic
#1497

There are two genders Male and Female

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
6
Better sources
0
4
Better legibility
2
2
Better conduct
2
2

After 2 votes and with 10 points ahead, the winner is...

bronskibeat
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
14
1545
rating
3
debates
100.0%
won
Description

There are only two genders everyone else is defective https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOniPhuyXeY

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

I will not consider arguments copy pasted without context or any attempt to use their own words; so I am not considering pros R1.

There are two main arguments here.

Firstly, that there are only two sexes, and everything else is a defect. Pro doesn’t offer any reason or justification as to why, even if we accept this, those defects shouldn’t be considered as different from male and female. Indeed, pros own wording here appears to concede the debate.

Pro effectively appears to acknowledge that there is a variety of different aspects to gender, but simply decides to simply assert that these should not be considered as states.

As pro does not offer any clear justification as to why the alternative aspects of gender should be ignored - he loses arguments.

The second argument is that gender and physical sex is different. Con does pretty well to tie in all the aspects of gender identity that currently go into to what we consider gender, and ties these together pretty well with sources. The distinction between gender and sex mitigates much of what pro is arguing related to there only being two sexes. Pros approach appears to be to simply hammer home the same argument that he already made, rather than directly assess the argument that con made.

In both cases, con presents a valid point that refutes pros key premise - and as such arguments go to con.

Sources: sources go to con here. Specifically related to how they built up the case showing the complexity of gender and differentiation purely from sex. The testosterone link, and the glass link on the removal of gender non conformance as a mental illness greatly boosted cons warrant. As pro dis not really present a link that clearly bolstered the resolution (only the argument he made that appeared to refute the resolution), sources here must go to con too.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

The debate started with a grammatical mistake, and it took awhile to correct it. Sex and Gender are different things...

Anyway, pro accidentally conceded the debate in the first sentence: "you are male , or female or defective" which is quite clearly three options. He ended with an implied threat that if more than two genders exist than God does not, and God not existing would destroy our society; which was all pretty senseless.

Con on the other hand offered sources to show that the gender norms are a weird and non-binary concept, with existence of more than two culturally recognized throughout history in places such as "Mesopotamia, Ancient Greece, India, etc" confirming on many levels that there are more than two.

Nine integrated sources gives con too much of a lead to be dismissed when compared to zero integrated sources. A good highlight from con was the one on suicide rates, which showcased why pro's ideas are outright dangerous.