There are two genders Male and Female
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There are only two genders everyone else is defective https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOniPhuyXeY
I will not consider arguments copy pasted without context or any attempt to use their own words; so I am not considering pros R1.
There are two main arguments here.
Firstly, that there are only two sexes, and everything else is a defect. Pro doesn’t offer any reason or justification as to why, even if we accept this, those defects shouldn’t be considered as different from male and female. Indeed, pros own wording here appears to concede the debate.
Pro effectively appears to acknowledge that there is a variety of different aspects to gender, but simply decides to simply assert that these should not be considered as states.
As pro does not offer any clear justification as to why the alternative aspects of gender should be ignored - he loses arguments.
The second argument is that gender and physical sex is different. Con does pretty well to tie in all the aspects of gender identity that currently go into to what we consider gender, and ties these together pretty well with sources. The distinction between gender and sex mitigates much of what pro is arguing related to there only being two sexes. Pros approach appears to be to simply hammer home the same argument that he already made, rather than directly assess the argument that con made.
In both cases, con presents a valid point that refutes pros key premise - and as such arguments go to con.
Sources: sources go to con here. Specifically related to how they built up the case showing the complexity of gender and differentiation purely from sex. The testosterone link, and the glass link on the removal of gender non conformance as a mental illness greatly boosted cons warrant. As pro dis not really present a link that clearly bolstered the resolution (only the argument he made that appeared to refute the resolution), sources here must go to con too.
The debate started with a grammatical mistake, and it took awhile to correct it. Sex and Gender are different things...
Anyway, pro accidentally conceded the debate in the first sentence: "you are male , or female or defective" which is quite clearly three options. He ended with an implied threat that if more than two genders exist than God does not, and God not existing would destroy our society; which was all pretty senseless.
Con on the other hand offered sources to show that the gender norms are a weird and non-binary concept, with existence of more than two culturally recognized throughout history in places such as "Mesopotamia, Ancient Greece, India, etc" confirming on many levels that there are more than two.
Nine integrated sources gives con too much of a lead to be dismissed when compared to zero integrated sources. A good highlight from con was the one on suicide rates, which showcased why pro's ideas are outright dangerous.
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What does the Q actually represent?
I agree, it could be less confusing. The language largely starts within the LGBT communities, then works its way up the academic food chain, and moves out into the mainstream.
I think transgender is essentially being used to mean "non-cis", and that's where the connection lies. The language is still evolving, i'm sure it'll become a bit more succinct as time goes on. Or not. We'll see.
Interesting.
However i dont see how one can make a logical connection between people who feel they are the wrong one of 2 physical genders, and people who feel they are on a spectrum of personality genders. Like gender nonconformists.
The term may be used as an umbrella by lay people vut the conditions and issues are completely unrelated!
"Often shortened to trans. A term describing a person’s gender identity that does not necessarily match their assigned sex at birth. Transgender people may or may not decide to alter their bodies hormonally and/or surgically to match their gender identity. This word is also used as an umbrella term to describe groups of people who transcend conventional expectations of gender identity or expression—such groups include, but are not limited to, people who identify as transsexual, genderqueer, gender variant, gender diverse, and androgynous."https://pflag.org/glossary
"Trans, Trans*, or Transgender People: Most commonly used as an umbrella term for individuals whose gender identity and/or expression is different from the gender assigned to them at birth. Trans people include individuals who are transsexual, genderqueer, agender, androgyne, demigender, genderfluid"https://hr.cornell.edu/sites/default/files/trans%20terms.pdf
Trans is just the "T" in LGTQ...
Queer has its own letter: "Q"
Trans stands exclusively for people feeling unease at their birth sex, seeking to become the other OF 2 GENDERS. To *TRANS*isition.
All 3rd gender issues are about as related to trans as a homosexuality. None of these issues are related in anyway besides joining up in an acronym.
Can you show any reference to trans including any of those other groups cause i think you are very mistaken.
Intersex is better described as a developmental abnormality rather than a birth defect.
The uncorrupted definition of gender is quite specific.
And dysphoria and trans are state's of mind rather than a states of gender.
So the proposition is basically correct.
I wish you had accepted the debate. Your "half-eaten gogurt tube" would have been a good argument.
Transgender can be used as an umbrella term that encompasses nonbinary and gender queer folk. Also, nonbinary and genderqueer people can experience dysphoria. Not all, but many do. Dysphoria doesn't have to be about your sex. It can be for specific areas of the body like breasts, voice, and really whatever aspect of themselves a person doesn't feel is matching up with their preferred gender presentation. For example, you'll see some nonbinary/gender people may have their breasts removed as a result of dysphoria, but might not feel the need to make any other physical alterations like taking testosterone.
Its funny that most of you are talking primarily about trans, who btw agree there are only 2 genders... their just the wrong one. Lol
The 3rd gender issue is seperate, has nothing to do with a dysphoria, and is simply people who dont fit gender norms, but are perfectly fine with their birth sex.
This confusion is on both sides, the ignorant attackers and the blind defenders :p
Intersex is a birth defect.
The op makes a debate about gender but talks almost exclusively about sex. Good luck.
yep
Did you seriously post an online article 3 times and call it your opening argument?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/10/31/science_shows_sex_is_binary_not_a_spectrum_138506.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/10/31/science_shows_sex_is_binary_not_a_spectrum_138506.html
I think you're forgetting the third: half-eaten gogurt tube.