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Donald Trump Is a Good President

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Politics
Time for argument
Three days
Voting system
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Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Four points
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Description
INTRO
We are debating over whether Donald Trump is a good president or not.
-- TOPIC --
Donald Trump Is A Good President
-- STRUCTURE --
1. Con Waives/Pro Opens
2. Rebuttals
3. Rebuttals
4. Rebuttals/Close/Pro Waives
Rules
1. No forfeits
2. Citations must be provided in the text of the debate
3. No new arguments in the final speeches
4. Observe good sportsmanship and maintain a civil and decorous atmosphere
5. No trolling
6. No "kritiks" of the topic (challenging assumptions in the resolution)
7. For all resolutional terms, individuals should use commonplace understandings that fit within the logical context of the resolution and this debate
8. The BOP is on Pro; Con's BOP lies in proving Pro wrong. Con may make original arguments if he wants to.
9. Violation of these rules merits either a loss or a certain point loss, at voters' discretion.
Round 1
Published:
Waiving
Published:

I thank Speed for the Debate ahead!
Definitions
Good: WELL-FOUNDED, COGENT (Source Meriam Webster)

Introduction
Donald Trump’s tenure in the White House has been revolutionizing and unique in its own way. The shift in politics has changed a lot. Many opponents would argue here today, like Speed, that Trump’s tenure has been negative. I would like to disagree with the claim and prove to my viewers why Trump has not been a bad president, but a good one.

[A1]: North Korea
President Trump has done remarkable success to try to cooperate with North Korea to denuclearize the country and provide a safer area. He has shown the bravery, toughness, and courage to stand in front of Kim Jung Un and try to work out policies with him. 

Summits have been never successful in the past with enemies far more reliable and cooperative than North Korea[1]. A summit will not simply solve the North Korean nuclear crisis at all. Multiple meetings are needed in order to work out true deals. The article sited states a brilliant reference to how North Korea/US in the 2010s has been extremely similar to the ‘86 case of Soviet Union

“Like the Singapore summit, Ronald Reagan’s 1986 summit with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev in Reykjavik, Iceland, was hastily arranged in response to Gorbachev’s sudden willingness to ban all ballistic missiles. The actor-turned-president engaged in remarkably free-form negotiations and nearly came to a far-reaching agreement. But Reagan ultimately balked, unwilling to give up his “Star Wars” missile defense program.”

This shows that both countries ended up with the same policy and outcome as the two countries of NK and USA. Another quote from the article states that.
“What at the time appeared to be a diplomatic failure is now seen as a success, as the talks allowed both countries to realize their shared desire to avoid a war and better understand the concessions each was willing to make. The following year, the U.S. and Soviet Union agreed on an arms reduction treaty. Now, historians view the meeting in Reykjavik as the beginning of the end of the Cold War and the Soviet Union itself.”

The article speaks for herself. Under a conservative agenda, we managed to reduce their arms and collapse the threat of a Soviet Union, are the greatest enemy at the time, just like most Americans believe that North Korea is our greatest enemy of the modern day. We also see the similarities in the policy and actions. Just like Reagan was the first to visit the Soviet Union in the time, Trump is the first to step foot in the country of North Korea[2]. Look at the replication of history. If we can befriend the mortal enemy of the USA, we can pull off a victory over North Korea. North Korea has even wanted to denuclearize and has destroyed a nuclear test zone[3]. Their willingness to cooperate is proof that they can snap just like the Soviet Union did and are open for treaties and such. This is a huge deal
If Trump manages to denuclearize North Korea and made key strides in doing so for 2020-2024, he can be credited for breaking the barrier just like Kennedy did at the time his summit, the first ever. This would make a good president simply alone, for cracking the code that Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc., could not. 

[A2] Middle Class
I want to point out the graphic sited in [4]. The Middle Class is rising higher in income than any other president in the 2000’s. It was not even that high when the economy was in a good state with Bush. Trumped has helped the middle class reach its max potential under Trump. Revenue is boosting for the middle class and is as high as it’s been. In a time of economic boom, a president with a strong financial record that can give the country the largest boom is good for the nation. The cycle continues. Look at Hoover before the crash. He was boosting the economy just like Coolidge did in the roaring 20s [5] 

If this decade and time with we are living replicate one of the booming 20s under Coolidge, the United States should have no fear at all. The Coolidge Era was the PRIME OF AMERICA with the biggest boom in American history. One of the best times for the economy, Coolidge replicated a lot of Trump's policies of tax cuts for middle class. This era caused a society to flourish just now we are seeing with the middle class.

My opponent could make a turn using my 5 as the turn of the Great Depression. I counter that by saying that Hoover was not using the right policies in the right time. Lassiez fair only works when the cycle is that the top and where we are booming. This process caused Hoover to turn horrible and crash the economy more

[A3]: Toughness
President Trump is a tough president on his stances and policies. [6] His tough on terror policy follows his policy around so much that it is a trademark of his government. Tough presidents such as Abraham Lincoln, Ronald Reagan, and FDR have been the most successful Presidents of all time.

A great example is his holdout [7]. Trump’s tough stances on policies force Congress and legislation to negotiate to get his policies done that he wants. He forces a biased and rude liberal agenda to work with him and he will work back. We know he is a compromiser, for his profession needed him to be a good compromise and a deal maker. A weaker opponent and being held to surrender in not a good way to be president. You need to assert confidence in your tone. 

He is so tough that many presidents from other countries admire his toughness [8]. Finland’s president even says behind the conservative shell, he is a tough-minded president. This toughness is good with foreign leaders overall as he earns respect from many of those leaders that look to work with him

Concluding Statements
With the combined presence of Donald Trump's foreign leadership in NK, his increase in revenue within the middle class, and his toughness on political issues, the combination in which great presidents have done and have been admired for, is proof that Trump is a GOOD president in the technical side of spectrum

Awaiting con!
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Round 2
Published:
I propose a different definition of "good."
 
Good: having the qualities required for a particular role. [1]
 
Presidential Roles
 
So, to meet the definition, we must first outline some qualities that are required to be the President of the United States. Don't confuse these with qualifications or criteria.
 
  • Honest
  • Kind
  • Intelligent
  • Ability to effectively communicate
  • Accepting of all demographics
  • Tough
  • Ability to lead well
  • Humble
To be considered a "good" president, I think it's fair to say that Trump must possess at least two-thirds, or 6, of these qualities, the same ratio used to determine votes in Congress.
 
This means I only need to outline four that the President doesn’t meet to win the resolution.
 
Let's break them down.
 
Honest
 
Donald Trump has been accused of lying quite a lot. How many you ask? 10 times maybe? 100? In fact, it is over 10,000 times. [2] NRDC and PolitiFact document just a few [3] [4]. And that number was measured in April. What's even worse is that Trump hit 12,000 in August. [5] That's 5 months, multiplied by about 30 days per month gives you 150, which multiplied by 24 gives you about 3,600 hours in between the two months. 12,000/3,600 is 3.33, meaning Trump lies about once every twenty minutes! He by no means can be considered honest.
 
Kind
 
After the events of Hurricane Florence, Trump said “At least you got a nice boat out of the deal. Have a good time!” [6] This is clearly insensitive and extremely unkind towards the people affected by this tragedy.
 
Intelligent
 
There are many ways a lack of intelligence could be demonstrated. However, one is one of Trump’s most recent gaffs. He made a phone call to Ukraine to dig up dirt on Joe Biden. [7] Following this, he allowed the transcript, which clearly outlined a quid pro quo, to be released. This indicates a lack of intelligence.
 
Accepting Of All Demographics
 
Trump held racist housing policies that discriminated against black people. [8]
Trump said “"I've got to use some Tic Tacs, just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything ... Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything." [9]
 
Trump has limited LGBTQ rights. [10]
 
Clearly, in light of being racist, a misogynist, and homophobic, Trump is not accepting of all demographics.
 
Ability To Lead Well
 
Trump is not a good leader. Why? He has lost 39 people from his administration. [11] 33 of them resigned. Besides that, he has two whistleblowers going behind his back to change the administration. [12] This is clearly a lack of leadership.
 
Conclusion
 
In light of these facts, it is quite reasonable to believe that Trump is not a good president.
 
Sources:
 
[1] http://english.oxforddictionaries.com/good
[2] https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/29/politics/donald-trump-lies-washington-post/index.html
[3] https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/
[4] https://www.nrdc.org/trump-lies
[5] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/08/12/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/
[6] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBE5V_kwW_M
[7] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/15/us/politics/white-house-review-ukraine.html
[8] https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history
[9] https://theweek.com/articles/655770/61-things-donald-trump-said-about-women
[10] https://www.hrc.org/resources/trumps-administrative-abuse-and-the-lgbtq-community
[11] https://www.businessinsider.com/who-has-trump-fired-so-far-james-comey-sean-spicer-michael-flynn-2017-7
[12] https://time.com/5693833/second-whistleblower-trump-ukraine/

Published:
My opponent may not have known...but the argument he makes is an Ethics K, which the ethics of someone should outweigh the policies he has presented. While my opponent probably did not know this was a K, I will not ask the judges to take off conduct point here.

Counter Interpretation 

My opponent established a criteria that he believes is the correct criteria in an Ethics based argument. 
  • Honest
  • Kind
  • Intelligent
  • Ability to effectively communicate
  • Accepting of all demographics
  • Tough
  • Ability to lead well
  • Humble
My opponent believes these factors themselves are equal and should be assessed in a qualitative point scale. I refuse to believe this is true, because some character traits are more fit for a presidency job than some on the list themselves. I can contest this point easily and say there is more value to some than there is to others. In a Presidency where being honest is key vs being KIND/NICE, being NICE is ineffective as a leader of the country. Studies[1] have even shown the drawbacks to being the kind/nice person in this scenario, being easily manipulated. This is not a quality we need in a president.

If we were to go by value in a president, each one would be a varying value based on the job. You don't need to know World History when doing Chemistry, and you don't need to know Woodworking when doing an SAT test. Each situation and occupation has it's own character traits you need, and equating them as a whole equal is just a fallacy[2]

My opponent makes the 4 arguments on the ones he relives he has not achieved and he struggles at, HONESTY, ACCEPTING TO ALL DEMOGRAPHICS, LEAD WELL, AND KIND. I will be making direct responses to each.

[Ethics K AT]

Honesty
My opponent makes a case that the President is not honest and lies every 20 minutes when he speaks. This is not true at all. The article you referenced states that he either lied or is misguided. Misguided does not =/= mean lying. Lying is blatantly saying things that are not true with knowledge they are not true. Misguided is acting out on error[3]. This means the error is accidental. That does not discredit his honesty

Some of the things Trump says that are false or extremely false are extremely party favored or pure opinionated at rallies to entice the NRC.[4] His important speeches with key facts and such. His false facts are motives toward Dems, and in this divided nation, rilling up the NRC is key to getting the votes to win. He is honest when he needs to be honest. It's the strategy to win. He is a winner.

Kind
I explained kind in the CI

Demographics
My opponent says that Trump does not appeal to the demographic. I have two contentions to argue in this case

1) Turn: Trump is a genius of capitalizing on the demographic and giving confidence in his party supporters to elect him. He was elected for a reason. He appealed enough to his demographic enough to win[5]. He knew that his target demographic would not be the Latino and African American Communities, it would be blue collar, middle class working people. He appealed to enough of the Latino's to take Michigan and win the election[6]

2) The argument is the same case for the Democratic Party as they do not understand the demographics of white people and what there belief is. Liberal started there whole movement on White Racist America[7]. This theory has been DEBUNKED

"But it won’t. Leftists have too much at stake to confront the truth about conservatives. Everything the Left has ever believed has depended upon lying about opponents. From the day Stalin labeled Trotsky — who served as the head of the Red Army and who, along with Lenin, founded the Bolshevik Party — a “fascist,” leftists have lied about their opponents."

Leftists equally do not understand the white hard working demographic the same way republicans do. It is best for Trump not even to focus about them in the first place. There is no point in trying to appeal to Liberals anymore[8]. America is so divided as a nation, a liberal will not listen to a conservative view on certain issues at all in 2019 America. Appealing to your party and swinging fence voters is key and swinging votes too. Trump won because he swung votes from Obama to his side for on the fence people[9]. There is another case where a men gave Trump a shot because he was on the fence, going for the non ideal candidate.

Leadership
My opponent argues here that he can not lead by saying that people have left his office. My opponent does not offer a BoP in the debate about why that makes them him unable to lead a country and has no link to his uniqueness claim in this debate. Without a link or BoP, there is nothing to evaluate in the debate for leadership, but to simply not believe what my opponent Speedrace is saying, this should be taken into considered

My opponent debates no policies that make him a bad president and how he can not lead a country. This means without deductive examples of bad policies that prove his inability to lead. 

Inability is define as: "lack of sufficient power, resources, or capacity." The claim made by my opponent does not demonstrate why he can't lead, but can show his effectiveness in leading, trying to be efficient as possible and get stuff done in the white house without distraction 

[AT R1 ARGS]

My opponent fails to contest any of my round 1 arguments I made about the policy side in Trump at all in this debate and fails to contest this info. Therefore judges should rule this style as full concession of PRO R1 ARGS and should be used to sway

-Extend all BoP made by R1
-Extend all Links, Impact, UQ, and IL to the fact that Trump is good president
-Extend all sites and sources made

My opponent labelled R2 as rebuttal, therefore by default, he should have rebutted to the R1 point made by PRO in this case, therefore he can not bring up topic again, and this should be a conduct point to PRO if CON brings up case made in R1 PRO

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Added:
Yes I will continue this since it’s only 1 more round
Contender
#24
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--> @SupaDudz
Are you still doing this since you're off of Discord?
Instigator
#23
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--> @SupaDudz, @Speedrace
Great debate so far! Both sides are doing well!
#22
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lol
Instigator
#21
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Yep I called it
Contender
#20
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--> @SupaDudz
I personally am a President Trump fan. It wasn't always that way and I used to be a "Never Trumper." I'm a one-issue voter. I vote Pro-Life and that was my one question about Trump, was he pro-Life? Now that he has been in office for most of his first term I can happily say President Trump is not only pro-Life, but he is arguably the most Pro-Life president we have ever had. Now if he would only stop his crazy tweeting and kowtowing to dictators!
#19
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--> @sigmaphil
Good is a broad definition is the main problem. I would hope to limit the spectrum to more political policies and such, but I do not think that is what this debate will come down too.
Contender
#18
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--> @sigmaphil
Precisely
Instigator
#17
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--> @SupaDudz, @Speedrace
How much Good is Good enough? That seems to be the critical question in this debate.
President Trump has done some good things and some and bad things. I think the burden will be on Pro to show enough convincing arguments that his good outweighs his bad.
#16
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Sure why not.
Contender
#15
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--> @Christen
Kritik (or just K), is the German word for critique. They differ in that while we always critique each other's arguments, we do not always Kritik the foundations on which they’re built. Put simply, a Kritik sidesteps evidence offered, and makes a case around such being irrelevant or outright harmful due to greater concerns.
https://tiny.cc/Kritik
#14
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--> @RationalMadman
It's their job to read the debate before accepting
Instigator
#13
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--> @christopher_best
It's challenging assumptions in the resolution 😐
Instigator
#12
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Donald is a good entertainer. He sure does make us chuckle.
And when they pull his strings. He does and says the funniest things.
#11
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--> @Speedrace
Make it explicit that the one who accepts will be for the topic.
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