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Topic
#1537

The mystery "Sea Peoples" of the late Bronze Age were most likely Central/Northern Europeans.

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
24
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Better sources
16
0
Better legibility
8
0
Better conduct
8
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After 8 votes and with 56 points ahead, the winner is...

MisterChris
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Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
One week
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
Two weeks
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Description

Context: The fall of the Bronze Age is regarded by historians as the most catastrophic event in human history. With the attacks of the Sea Peoples, the great Bronze Age empires fell one by one. The Hittites, the Levant, and Greece felt their wrath. Even still, the great Sea Peoples are a complete historical mystery. Conjecture as to their identity has ranged from Greeks themselves (fighting other cultures then turning on eachother and destroying themselves, launching them into a Dark Age) to the ancestors of the Vikings. However, I posit that the Sea Peoples were most likely central Europeans.

I affirm this resolution. By accepting, you are negating.

Burden of Proof is shared.

R1- Constructive. Contender may rebut some of my points after they give a constructive in this round, but they MUST posit a constructive of their own.
R2-4- Fluid attack/defense. No set structure here.

Rules are simple:
1.No Kritiks
2.No New arguments made in final round
3.No trolling
4.No getting off topic
5.You must follow the Debate Structure
6.No Plagiarism
**ANY violation of these

Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments ✔ ✗ ✗ 3 points
Better sources ✔ ✗ ✗ 2 points
Better spelling and grammar ✔ ✗ ✗ 1 point
Better conduct ✔ ✗ ✗ 1 point
Reason: FF- Still hope to see Best's argument for this

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@zedvictor4

That is a valid point, but there are a couple of reasons I would disagree:

Firstly, Central Europe is relative, I would consider the Germanic peoples, the Alpine Celts, and the Yugoslav area to be included in my reference to "central Europe." (I should be more specific next debate I think.)

Secondly, the "Dorian invasion" (It was not actually Dorians, this was an etiological myth. In fact, it was more likely the Sea Peoples.) of Greece started with a naval invasion of the Peloponnese, something that Europeans with access to the Adriatic Sea would have no problem with.

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@MisterChris

Not a lot of sea in central Europe.

The central bit is a dead give away.

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@oromagi

A classic saying, from Poor Richard's Almanac

sea peoples freebies are the best kind of debate, I always say

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@oromagi

Well....sh*t...

Welp...

ouch that was fast. The dopplegangers are running in packs tonight. lock yer doors.

shock the monkey tonight

don't you know you've got to....

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@shockthemonkey

We will have to see.

there is no way to even verify most likely status its all a guess

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@shockthemonkey

Anyways, glad to see this debate getting accepted. I'll get to work on a constructive.

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@shockthemonkey

Hence the title, "most likely"

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@MisterChris

Thank you

there is no way to know it happend too long ago to verify or even matter

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@shockthemonkey

Welcome to the website!

why should anyone care?

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@oromagi

That is the challenge, yes. My argument is more revolving around probability due to historical context. It should make sense once someone hopefully accepts

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@MisterChris

Great topic although I can't see how PRO proves with texts as scarce and ambiguous as these

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@OoDart

It will be an interesting one for certain. My problem is getting an opponent in time

I'll be interested in reading this one. I like history but really am not that knowledgeable in it.

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@Dr.Franklin

Me as well, I wanted to switch things up a bit!

I agree 100% Love these debates!!!!!!!

Ancient history, very cool

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@crossed

It's a week-long argument, so there is plenty of time if you decide to accept.

If i did not spam myself with like 10 debate's i would take this. This is my kind of debate