Illuminati exist
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phármakon), denoting any drug, while the third sense refers to the pharmakos ritual of human sacrifice.
etomology online dictionary says pharmacy came from pharmakeai.
"The Pet Goat," known for the book the President was reading to the children upon being informed by Andy Card that a second plane had struck the World Trade Center
The Rothschild family are known to have funded the losers and the winners of all wars since the Napoleonic Wars of 1803 to 1815. They fund both sides so that whichever side wins, they profit. In 1815, Napoleon Bonaparte was campaigning to take over Britain itself.
Is this definition acceptable, or would you like to propose a different definition?
Rebuttals
Sorry for procrastinating
Apology accepted, and I must offer my own apology for procrastinating.
The Illuminati exist.It was founded in the 1700s.
I agree that they existed in the 1700s.
The mainstream media has made it sound like they never existed.
I disagree. The Illuminati are merely an unimportant footnote in history, so there is little reason for the MSM to talk about them.
There symbol is on the dollar.
The eagle on the one-dollar bill does not represent the Illuminati.
“[Secretary of the Continental Congress] Thomson told Congress he chose a pyramid to symbolize strength and longevity, and the the eye and motto above to ‘allude to the many signal interpositions of providence in favour [sic] of the American cause.’ “
https://money.howstuffworks.com/symbols-dollar-bill.htm
Furthermore, if the Illuminati are attempting to remain secret, then they could have no possible motivation to put their symbol right where it could be seen.
There is almost masonic lodge in every town in America.
Unless you can prove a connection between the Illuminati and the Masons, this is totally irrelevant.
Every president except for the one has been related.
Once again, this is also irrelevant. What difference does it make if they’re all related through a man who died 800 years ago? This proves nothing.
They put aborted babies in vaccines.Here is a fake news article by the ABC that is saying aborted babies are not a bad thing in vaccines but a good thing.
What’s my source for this, you ask? The very same one you posted, and for which you have provided no evidence showing it's fake news.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/aborted-fetuses-vaccines/story?id=29005539
While I lament the fact that aborted babies were used, this has nothing to do with the Illuminati. It might prove that some vaccine developers don’t think that unborn babies are people, but it does nothing to help your case.
pharmaceuticals...are the biggest killer on the planet.100 thousand people die each years from pharmaceuticals
They are not the biggest killer on the planet even if we accept your number, which I don’t, since you provide no evidence for it. The biggest cause of death in the world is coronary heart disease at 8.7 million per year.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/top-ten-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-world.html
Secondly, this is irrelevant to the Illuminati's existence. Also, why would they kill their own subjects?
pharmacy is derived off the word pharmakeai. This is because pharmacy's want to harm you.
This is an assertion, not proof. It is irrelevant to the existence of the Illuminati, and your own source proves it. It says that the word originated in the 14th century, hundreds of years before the short-lived Illuminati existed.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/pharmacy
Kite hit steal plane must. he had them chant this ritual over and over before 911 happened...This is the most clear ritual i have ever seen...a weird satanic ritual minutes before the plane hit the world trade center
Random coincidences prove nothing. There is no possible motivation for the Illuminati to tell Bush to do anything that might even hint at their existence. The mere fact that such a hint exists is evidence that there is no Illuminati trying to hide its existence, or else they would stop whoever it was from dropping the hint.
beside the fact that the demolay has demon in the name.
There is no ‘n’ in demolay, so it does not have demon in its name. Also, if such logic was valid, then I must be a knight because I have “Sir” in my username. The mere fact that such a hint exists is evidence that there is no Illuminati trying to hide its existence, or else they would stop whoever it was from dropping the hint.
Demolay is child youth group ages 9-21...This cult raises kids and when they grow up they help them find jobs.Meaning they put them in high places like being president or politician or actor.
This is completely irrelevant unless Pro can establish some relationship between demolay and the Illuminati. It's more reasonable to believe that the youth group is simply successful in training youth to be disciplined, hard-working members of society than it is to believe that they must be linked to the Illuminati because the youth become successful.
The Rothschild family is estimated to have 500 trillion dollars and owns almost every bank in the world.They have funded every side of every war since the days of napolian
Their net worth is $400 billion, which is not enough to own almost every bank or fund all sides of all wars.
https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/rothschild-family-net-worth/
Secondly, in 2015, there was only $250 trillion dollars in the entire world.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rothschild-family-wealth/
Again, none of these allegations about the Rothschilds have anything to do with the Illuminati.
Con said my Satan is Santa is rearranged was just an accident.But it is not it is something the occult does all the time.
You have absolutely no evidence that the occult does this all the time. Also, what possible motivation would “the occult” have for giving themselves away by scattering random hints throughout the world?
the apple represent the forbid an fruit that Adam ate that led to the downfall of man.
Actually, the point of the bite was to make it obvious that it wasn’t another fruit like a cherry.
https://mentalfloss.com/article/64049/did-alan-turing-inspire-apple-logo
The first apple computer was also sold for 666 dollars.
Once again, this is refuted by the very same article that you link. The first computer wasn’t sold for any price because it was sold in 50 different pieces. Also, the total was $666.66, which has 5 sixes, not 3.
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-the-first-Apple-computer-sold-was-for-666-66
In any case, this is absurd. I can go to the store and engineer my purchases to cost $666. That would not make me satanic.
Opening Arguments
1. The Illuminati would require so many members that it would be impossible to keep it secret. It would require millions, or hundreds of millions, of members in order to function.The Illuminati would have to maintain an incredibly vast secret police force to keep everyone quiet. But even with this secret police, it would still be impossible to maintain the secret. There are many people in the world who cannot lie for moral reasons. Such people would expose the Illuminati even under the threat of death or with the offer of a bribe. Since the Illuminati would have to have millions of members, whistleblowers making claims and then getting killed should be a regular event. According to https://www.history.com/topics/1970s/watergate , seven highly motivated aides could not keep Watergate hidden. In light of this, it is utterly nonsensical to claim that millions of people could keep the Illuminati hidden.
2. It would be impossible for the Illuminati to survive financially. Accounting records of governments and large corporations are so available to the public that it would be impossible for the Illuminati to siphon money from them to pay its members and get away with it. It would have to pay millions of people inordinate amounts of bribe money to keep them quiet, and the accounting records.
3. There is no purpose for the Illuminati remaining hidden. If it is so powerful that it controls the world, then it doesn’t have any motive to stay hidden.
4. The theory of the Illuminati does not explain anything that can’t be better explained without the Illuminati. My opponent has not presented anything that can only be explained by the Illuminati. It is far more reasonable to believe that the world is as it appears than to postulate a worldwide conspiracy that doesn’t explain anything.
5. If the Illuminati existed, it would not allow the coincidences that Pro brings up to happen. It cannot simultaneously be so brilliant and well organized that it runs the world and yet also be so unbelievably incompetent as to put its symbol in plain sight.
6. If the Illuminati can keep itself secret, it must have a secret police to silence those who try to expose it. The only way to silence someone with certainty is to kill them. Therefore, I have a simple question for Pro. You are trying to expose the Illuminati. So if the Illuminati is real, then why are you still alive?
Conclusion
Pro has presented a random series of arguments ranging from made-up facts to minor coincidences to irrelevant organizations like the Masons. He has not even attempted to prove any connection between any of his arguments and the existence of the Illuminati. Consequently, everything he said in round 1 has no bearing on the argument.
In contrast, I have provided six different reasons to reject the theory of the Illuminati, and all of them ave a clear connection to the Illuminati’s existence.
I wish to thank Pro for this interesting debate. The floor is yours.
While this question is difficult to answer on a world-wide basis, the Masonic Service Association indicates that there were 1,404,059 living Freemasons in the United States in the year 2009.
And lastly the Illuminati does not rule the world yet.They are trying to bring in the new world order.
Why would a group like that just disband.
The reason why he did that he says is because so it does not look like a cherry.Con needs to realize that this is a lie
In quora page i originally listed about how the first computer was sold for 666.66 dollars.He says that he did this because he Quote on quote liked repeating numbers.This is complete ######
firstly the apple symbol looks nothing like a cherry.Why would they mistake it for a cherry.It is called an apple computer.Why would he be afraid that it would be called a cherry.
The Freemasons Illuminati Demolay Rainbowgirls Skull and bones Golden lily etc. There all branches of the same tree.Once you have completed one secret society let say the freemasons.You are sent to another secret society.
These people are told to die for there secrets.So if this society can do it why can not the Illuminati.
One of these ###### under oath admitted that they use the entire baby in vaccines.They let nothing go to waste they use tongue arms heart legs eyes everything.
“They [the cells from the aborted babies] were used to start a cell line, which is a cell multiplied over and over again to produce cells that are of a consistent genetic makeup.” “’These cell lines are now more than three generations removed from their origin, and we have not used any new tissue to produce these vaccines,’ the company added in its statement. To say that the vaccines contain a significant amount of human fetal tissue, as some objectors to the vaccines claim, is misleading, stressed Dr. Paul Offit, the director of the vaccine education center at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.‘There are perhaps nanograms of DNA fragments still found in the vaccine, perhaps billionths of a gram,’ he said. ‘You would find as much if you analyzed the fruits and vegetables you eat.’”While I lament the fact that aborted babies were used, this has nothing to do with the Illuminati. It might prove that some vaccine developers don’t think that unborn babies are people, but it does nothing to help your case.
But he list the top killers 9 out of 10 of them are medical deaths.9 out of ten of them are diseases.
Like i said once you complete a society you move up into another one.So yes pharmakeai were created by these people.
Plus con says i have no proof that they put symbols in everything.Even though i listed quite a few examples like pharmakeai.Let still he denies it.
He still thinks the Santa being Satan rearranged is a coincidence.
The world health symbol is of a snake and a staff.Hermes the snake god.Could they be telling us that there stuff is snake oil
Rothschild.I personally believe there is more money then we believe.
They print money out like it is nothing.The American dollar is useless.
Secondly it is not uncommon for a family to have trillions of dollars.one family in Afghanistan has trillions of dollars.
After nine eleven.The world trade center was put in its place to replace the twin towers.
"These fuckers are quoting Sun Tzu in their homepage, they are no doubt about it experienced at what they are doing."
So the illuminatti did derive the word pharmakeia to make pharmacy.
.Freemasons skull and bones Illuminati are different branches of the same tree.Once you complete one society you move into another.Fema Camps. i can not find the evidence for it.It has been completely scrubbed clean.Pizzagate to i can not find anything damming.Pizzagate is pedophilia by elites.Debate.org . . . The reason why the people on debate.org were quoting Sun Tzu was because they are part of a secret society.They were collecting data on people and doing other stuff.
I do not how you believe that the apple has a bite taken out because of cherry.The apple computer was sold for 666.66 dollars because he liked repeating numbers.This is lie
DuckDuckGohermesAlex jones has been deplatformed
Vaccines They put aborted babies in vaccines which con dropped.
George bush ritual.
Walt Disney was part of the demolay cult.His signature has 666 in it.
it is not an accident that Satan is Santa rearranged
The reason why they are all successful is because they are put in position of power as puppets.How can you know someone is going to be billionaire before there a billionaire.They pick dumb people
Poisoning of the food supply.
They are putting weed killer in are food
prescription drugs are the 4th leading cause of death each year
Conspiracy theorist have been labeled domestic terrorist by FBI
Alex jones predicted 911 before it happened
Alex Jones said they were going to do a fake suicide of Jeffery Epstein hours before he quote on quote killed himself.
Obamacare death by guilitine medical code.
There use to be video of people showing tunnels underneath closed down Walmart and they had billions of coffins all across America.plus other thing's.
Nasa has admitted to spraying pharmaceuticals and bipolar medication in the sky.
But they do own most of the banks
And are banned from russia.
Why they put symbols
The Illuminati would have no motivation to put symbols in everything. In fact, they would be motivated to hide their symbols in order to better hide their existence. Consequently, the existence of such symbols is evidence (weak evidence, but evidence nonetheless) against the Illuminati's existence, because they would have attempted to remove those symbols from the public view if they really existed.
I must ask that you define what you mean when you refer to the Illuminati. How much influence do they have? How many countries, if any, do they control? Please be specific. It will help both our cases to understand what you mean when you say "Illuminati."
"These fuckers are quoting Sun Tzu in their homepage, they are no doubt about it experienced at what they are doing."
You provide no evidence that they use weed killer in food.
They don't pick dumb people. Skull and Bones picks people who are on the road to success. They are at Yale. They are picking the most successful students in a college filled with successful students. They are picking the best of the best. That is why they succeed later in life.
There is no possible motivation for the Illuminati to kill people for no reason. Having subjects is good (for them). Why would they kill them?
his leads to a forum where the poster links to a site that can no longer be reached and the InfoWars home page. Please provide actual evidence of this. Also, please explain why this would be evidence of the Illuminati
Putin's mean. So?
This is completely inapplicable to the Illuminati. Witches and pedophiles don't know who each other are. The Illuminati is allegedly an organization, so they can find out who each other are. This is not a valid motive for them. This still stands:
False. I did not drop it. I have addressed that point in each round. I never contested the point that they put aborted babies in vaccines. However, you have provided no explanation as to how that is evidence for the Illuminati.
DuckDuckGohermesAlex jones has been deplatformed
was created by one of the secret society.ho knows which one but they are all the same thing different branches of the same tree.These groups have existed for thousands of years.THey created groups all the time.But it is the same
I am having a bad time my computer deleted my argument that i began at 4 and deleted at 7.
one of the many secret society trying to bring in the new world order.They have like 100 different group's so if one group gets caught they don't really get in trouble just that one group.Freemasons has over 1 million people.THe bigger people like the Illuminati are smaller they are the heads.That is why they have only 2000 members
Con dropped my debate.org argument...because i did not source duck duck go?
- They have like 100 different group's so if one group gets caught they don't really get in trouble just that one group.
- Pizzagate
- Fema Camps
my source says it is number 4every list is different.All of your are medical deaths any of those could be contributed to prescription drugs.
yes i did i linked video talking about how they put weed killer in the food
Paying thousands of dollars to a school does not equate success
The reason why there is an elite secret society in an elite school is because these society are meant for the elites.
The reason why George bush became president is because he belonged to this society.
there not trying to kill you there trying to make you mentally ill.
1 in 59 births a kid has autism.
the average baby is born with over 200 chemicals listed in my last round.
Not because they re trying to modify your offspring with mental illness.
i did source alex jones being de-platformed.
[Alex Jones] said osobin ladin was going to attack new york a month before he attacked new york
putin banned them because they are a bank cartel and he understands there role in history.
I show an fake news article by abc of aborted babies in vaccines.
The scientist who makes them admitted under oath that they use hundreds of babies.You respond by saying i already refuted that they only derive off aborted babies, And i say you already said that and i refuted it.
One of the secret society is putting aborted babies in vaccines
Domestic terroristthe fbi has labeled conspiracy theory as potential domestic terrorist.
pharmacy
was created by one of the secret society.
nasa does spray lithium in the sky
The new world order has hundred of concentration camps.I listed the video so i can tell you what is in it.
They have hundreds of coffins.
notice it is world health organization.just like how they replaced the twin towers with the world trade center
there different branches of the same tree. Freemasons need a way to contact skull and bones without the two being considered one.If freemasons gets scandals skull and bones are completely uneffective
con says that i can not refute points by calling out there obvious lies like.First apple computer was sold for 666 because they like repeating numbers.
While con commits an even worst fallacy by saying all my stuff is just a coincidence.
the average baby is born with over 200 chemicals listed in my last round.
Do you have any evidence that this is a bad thing? Why is this evidence of the Illuminati?
thoughts of killing oneself tightness in the chest tiredness twitching, twisting, or uncontrolled repetitive movements of the tongue, lips, face, arms, or legs unconsciousness unpleasant breath odor unusual bleeding or bruising unusual drowsiness, dullness, tiredness, weakness, or feeling of sluggishness unusually pale skin use of extreme physical or emotional force vomiting of blood yellow eyes or skin
I am aware that these sites have their biases. However, they are accurate regarding your sources and claims. Anyone can see just by clicking on the Before It's News, Foodbabe, or Collective Evolution websites that they do promote conspiracy theories and pseudoscience.
K-Ultra was a top-secret CIA project in which the agency conducted hundreds of clandestine experiments—sometimes on unwitting U.S. citizens—to assess the potential use of LSD and other drugs for mind control, information gathering and psychological torture. Though Project MK-Ultra lasted from 1953 until about 1973, details
[Alex Jones] said osobin ladin was going to attack new york a month before he attacked new york
How is this evidence of the Illuminati?
- math class
- English class
- science class
- illuminati
- Skull and bone
- demolay
- Golden Lilly
The vast majority of YouTube videos are not reliable sources. Please provide a reliable source for this claim.
it did not contradict anything I said. The scientist was only talking about aborted babies and how many he used. If you go to 2:32-3 (or maybe 3:32-3) and pause it, you will see confirmation of what I have been saying. There is no actual fetal tissue in vaccines.
the fbi has labeled conspiracy theory as potential domestic terrorist.
How is this evidence of the Illuminati?
nasa does spray lithium in the sky
Your source leads to a list of the ingredients in rocket propellants. There are very few rockets launched, and they are in a concentrated area, so this would have no effect. Also, how is this evidence of the Illuminati?
conspiracy theorists latched on to the use of the word “lithium” and extrapolated that it was used by NASA to surreptitiously drug the populace. NASA openly “admitted” to using lithium in a manner widely expected of that element, but use of the word “admitted” also implied disclosure by accident or under duress.
Buried among the tinfoil were a few actual facts: that 2003 study does exist, but it studied aerosolized vaccines
RationalWiki is a wiki whose stated aims are to critique and challenge pseudoscience, conspiracy theories
NPR is very unreliable
All these Conspiracy are done by secret society. Which is like 100 branches of the same tree.
I could win on technicality. They are a group that has existed.
yes babies being born with over 200 man made chemicals is a bad thing.
i posted a link to the most dangerous chemicals in the food today. This is evidence for Illuminati because they poison our food.
- The Illuminati would have no motivation to poison our food. I have pointed this out before.
- Chemicals do not qualify as poisons unless proven to be poisons. Yes, they can have some negative effects, but that does not make them poison. Chemo has negative effects. However, it is not considered poisonous because it ultimately saves lives.
- You are saying that the Illuminati exists because they poison our food. However, even if I grant that our food is poisoned, you would have to prove that the Illuminati is the one doing it, which you have not attempted to do.
This has had a huge effect on our population.1 out of 59 children our born with autism.This is done because they poison our food.Then we make them stupid with pharmaceuticals.
pharmacuticals have insane side effects.prosac for example causes yellow skin and eyes changes and behavior and thinking.Thoughts of suicide, and 120 plus different side effects.
pain killers kill more then cocian and heroin combined
- The article you posted refutes this. Painkillers kill more that cocaine and heroin because they are more commonly abused. They kill because they are abused, just like cocaine and heroine.
- The Illuminati would not have any motivation to kill its own subjects.
Literally the world health organizations logo is of a stupid snake on a stick
The little box of information that YouTube puts on Illuminati video.To censor them says it existed in 1500.Which fits in with pharmakeai.
- It doesn't censor anything.
- It says that the word illuminati, meaning "enlightened ones," existed in 1500, not the organization.
- Even if that was the organization and not just the word, the word pharmacy still came into use over 100 years earlier.
IF you type Illuminati on youtube.YouTube will have a little box on the top giving you information on it. This little box only exist on conspiracy video as a way to censor them.My argument is one of the secret society did it.<snip>It also does this with other conspiracy like pizza gate and fema camps
- It does not censor anyone.
- It does not do this with pizzagate and FEMA camps.
- https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pizzagate No box.
- https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fema+camps The box is about FEMA, not the camps. This also refutes your claim that the info box is for censorship. If that were the case, then YouTube is censoring FEMA, a government agency.
Con said i provided no proof of it.Which is wrong i provided a video that was taken off the tv channel truetv for goverment harassment.In the video they talked about the millions of coffins all around the united states and i aid what was in the video as evidence.
- The vast majority of YouTube videos are not reliable sources. The fact that it was originally meant for TV doesn't make it any more reliable.
- The existence of coffins is meaningless. Coffins are needed, and you have still not provided any motivation for the Illuminati to kill their subjects.
For most of the debate i have just been listing stuff evil stuff that has been done.
Your entire argument has been everything is a coincidence and just because it is a conspiracy theory it can not be true.
- Not at all. I have provided many alternate explanations for the points you have raised. For the points where I have no alternate explanation, I have shown why the Illuminati is an extremely unlikely explanation. Furthermore, coincidences prove nothing. There are 7 billion people in the world and thousands of years of known history. It is inevitable that some things line up weirdly. That is not evidence of a conspiracy.
- I never argued that it isn't true because it's a conspiracy theory. That is a gross misrepresentation of my argument. I have shown how your evidence is no evidence at all and provided solid reasons showing that the Illuminati does not exist.
you said saying there lying is not an argument.If that is the case you can not say it's a coincidence.
I have piled my comprehensive list of side effects into one basket.There are to many to be an accident.they are not coincidence there are to many.
They are censoring people who talk about the Illuminati
your snope article is deceptive it does not say. Nasa admitted to spraying lithium on Americans as false.But admits that nasa sprays lithium in the air.
Buried among the tinfoil were a few actual facts: that 2003 study does exist, but it studied aerosolized vaccinesyes we are saying they are spraying chemicals on us.But are saying it is a good thing.Like vaccinating everyone.It confirms everything i said.
Buried among the tinfoil were a few actual facts: that 2003 study does exist, but it studied aerosolized vaccines — i.e. ones that are inhaled as opposed to injected — and had nothing to do with dropping chemicals from planes. (italics mine)
then use's wikipedia clone.Anyone can edit it.It was done that way for free speech purposes.To make it more reliable in a way then let say cnn.
Snope lies and is a left wing fake news site
rational-wiki is unreliable.It is a site made to discredit conspiracy theory's and attack them
only 22 percent of people believe [NPR] is unreliable
My source said the reason why he banned the Rothschild is because of there role in history.
You need to prove there coincidences
I did cover the 6 points against me just not in block rebuttal.
Gist:
Self-defeating argument, as con pointed out.
1. Sorry for procrastinating
The first bit here was surprisingly good, as information in the source showed some form of Illuminati existed at one time (which con agrees)... The other two paragraphs were meaningless to the resolution. This actually did continue in R2, with pro trying to say con conceded for agreeing they at some point existed, but that doesn’t stand the WTF test as it was already stated to disagree with current existence.
2. Now for the meat and cheese
Aborted babies... Not topical.
3. the word pharmakeai means
No.
4. the word pharmakon means
No.
5. 911
Ok, something which might tie into the resolution. Bush read children’s books, I am left very curious how this connects, but it is at least coherent. Con does well in pointing out that were they to exist and be involved in the reading of children’s books, them not covering up this supposed leak would imply a lack of the implied conspiracy covering it up.
6. Demolay
Something about demons and Walt Disney. Con confesses to being a knight, and explains if the illumine existed they would prevent these hints to their existence (unsure how it’s a hint, but well played).
7. Rothschild
Rich families exist.
8. Symbolism
Satan and Santa, notably not anything about the illuminati.
9. Opening Arguments (from con)
Too many members needed for the conspiracy to be able to be a secret conspiracy, even leveraging that 7 people is too many to keep a secret ala Watergate. They would lack the money to pay all these millions of members. They would have no reason to keep themselves secret. ... and of course pro not being killed for trying to expose them.
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Arguments:
See above review of key points. I want to say it fell apart in R2, but it already did in R1, merely R2 failed to continue it, and at a certain point when so little even touches the resolution, I am not going to try to connect the random disconnected dots to ill-defined the Gish Gallop. The biggest problem is the more broad and crazy it gets, the less believable it is. It’s more or less not just about the normal hypothetical illuminati, but the particular one with the millions of members and making all medicine poison etc pro is arguing in this debate.
Thanks for debating. I appreciate that you didn't forfeit or get banned like my last opponent did, and that you stayed mostly civil.
I made a few errors in my last round.
"It does not censor anyone."
I meant that the Info boxes aren't censorship.
"Once again, it is terrible that aborted babies are in vaccines."
I meant that it is terrible that they develop vaccines from aborted babies. They do not directly put aborted babies into vaccines.
6 hours left.
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One day left.
Don't forget.
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The guy in the video has it exactly backwards. The members of the group don't succeed because the group has some nefarious influence, but because they pick members who are already leaders and are on the path to success. He is basically trying to draw a conspiracy theory out of the fact that a group that only picks successful members has members succeeding.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_and_Bones
Correlation does not equal causation. This argument uses a fallacy in the form of propter hoc ergo post hoc (because after, therefore before). If event A happens after event B, A cannot have caused B. The bonesmen were already successful before they joined skull and bones, so skull and bones can't have caused their success.
https://youtu.be/-wuGH-EG62Q
I found out when I tried to change the limit on my other debate. Too late now.
I am sorry to hear that.I do not have the power to change the character limit.
I really should avoid posting debate arguments after midnight. Now that I reread it, it have a few typos and editing errors. My initial argument was 3,300 characters over the limit, so I had to do some serious editing.
Can you increase the character limit? It takes a lot of space to do rebuttals.
I noticed, but thanks for reminding me.
Quora and some of Pro's other sources are really unreliable.
https://demolay.org/hall-of-fame/
No problem. I'll probably post my rebuttal tomorrow or Thursday.
sorry for procrastinating
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Don't forget.