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#1589

California should secede

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After 3 votes and with 3 points ahead, the winner is...

oromagi
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Description

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/11/maybe-its-time-for-america-to-split-up.html maybe its time we went our separate ways amerika

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@PaulVerliane

You know, we can all live how we want without secession. It is called federalism, which we are supposed to use.

California's secession wouldn't be too bad, though.

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@PaulVerliane

"i do not recognize the authoirty of the us government IF they prevent my state or any state from seceding"
Whether or not you recognize them is irrelevant.
"for the record the constitution does not prohibit secesssion, where does it do that?"
It doesn't directly prohibit secession. However, it makes no provision for it, which has the same effect. There is no constitutional process for secession. In order to secede, you would have to amend it, which is allowed. So if you want to leave, then leave. However, it involves a lot more than simply declaring your secession.

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@SirAnonymous

The Constitution does not directly mention secession.

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@SirAnonymous

i do not recognize the authoirty of the us government IF they prevent my state or any state from seceding and for the record the constituion does not prohibit secesssion, where does it do that?

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@PaulVerliane

"i refuse to recognize your authority as simple as that"
I personally have no authority. The US government does, and it does not matter in the slightest whether or not you recognize them. They have the authority regardless. It is their sworn duty to uphold the Constitution. If you knowingly violate it, any consequences would be on your own head.

To be clear, I think that if you want to secede, you can amend the Constitution and go right ahead. That's your business. It's only when you secede illegally that I have a problem with it.

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@PaulVerliane

I am completely aware that I have no authority over you. However, the Constitution, as the supreme law of the USA, does, and it is the duty of the federal government to enforce it. I do not want every city in the nation to burn. However, if you secede without first establishing a constitutional method of doing so, then you run the risk of war, or at least occupation.
If you really want to secede and are willing to amend the Constitution to do so, then, by all means, go right ahead! I don't think you should, but if you want to leave, then go ahead. However, you must first establish a constitutional method of doing so, or any force used by the federal government and the consequences thereof would be on your own head.

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@PaulVerliane

Nah All out war will happen

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@SirAnonymous

i refuse to recognize your authority as simple as that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60N3R455lHc

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@SirAnonymous

i do not aknowledge you or it s a legitimate aithrity if you want to go to war than so be it liberty or death i dont n ot recognize your autheoity i refuse to reconize your authority great britian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60N3R455lHc you have no auhority over me you want every city in this nation to burn/ bring it on

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@PaulVerliane

The United States constitution that was ratified in 1789 and is the supreme law of the land. The one that you have to follow whether you like it or not and whether you recognize it or not. The one that cannot expire due to age, but can only be amended by a specific process. The one that applies to you regardless of what epithet like "old rag" you throw at it. The one that is your constitution regardless of whether or not you deny it.

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@SirAnonymous

Constitution? what constitution? your constitution not ours we do not recognize that old rag

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@Dr.Franklin

or or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4KbZIRgSkg

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@PaulVerliane

I cant believe you believe this. Succession is awful, this is what will happen-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXZQEZ5BJlo

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@PaulVerliane

It wouldn't be constitutional, so they would have to pass an amendment to do so (which is quite irrelevant to your debate, since you didn't specify the method of secession). That would have one bizarre effect, however. If the right is right, California would implode while America would succeed, since the D's would lose so many electoral votes that the R's would win and guide the country to success. On the other hand, if the left is right, California would succeed while America would implode for the same reason as before.
Either way, millions of people would be losing out. Still, in my opinion, if they want to leave and pass an amendment allowing them to do so, then they can go right ahead. If they start having problems, it would be on their own heads.