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Topic
#1603

the safest nations all have strict gun laws

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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

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Better legibility
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Better conduct
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After 2 votes and with 8 points ahead, the winner is...

MisterChris
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Description

Strict gun laws make nations safest https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/safest-countries-in-the-world.html

To all potential voters: PaulVerliane is harassing valid voters on his debate, and thus should lose his conduct point.

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@PaulVerliane

Well obviously I'd rather be harmed than murdered, but that doesn't mean we don't count assault in crime statistics.

i'm saying its preferable to be attcked and survive the attack than die, i'm saying its prefrable for 3 people to die in a an attck than 63 die
i'm saying an incremental improvement in a situation is preferable to an incremental worsening of a situation

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@PaulVerliane

Your saying X is worse than Y, so Y isn't relevant. That's quite faulty.

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@Trent0405

i'd rather get a punch in the face than a 38 slug in my brain see how that works?

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@PaulVerliane

Well maybe a home break isn't as bad as a mass shooting, but a home break is still a big deal.

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@Trent0405

where in venzuela mexico or in a nation comparable to us like canada or grmany? again stop being so obtuse, Image result for willful blindnesswww.goodreads.com
Willful blindness (sometimes called ignorance of law, willful ignorance or contrived ignorance or Nelsonian knowledge) is a term used in law to describe a situation in which a person seeks to avoid civil or criminal liability for a wrongful act by intentionally keeping himself or herself unaware of facts that would ...
Willful blindness - Wikipedia
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so to you a home break in is as bad as a mass shooting? i dont believe you are stat stupid just unbelievably dishonest

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@PaulVerliane

Con's source only looks at rape, theft, and murder, these aren't minor crimes.

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@Trent0405

homicide and serious injury is one sort of crime , stealing your hand bag is another.. you cant see that one is worse than the other.. really? is that an honest assessment on your part? is it?

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@PaulVerliane

http://chartsbin.com/view/39717

This is what Con proposed.

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@Trent0405

A landmark 1997 study actually tried to answer this question. Its findings — which scholars say still hold up — are that America doesn't really have a significantly higher rate of crime compared to similar countries. But that crime is much likelier to be lethal: American criminals just kill more people than do their counterparts in other developed countries. And guns appear to be a big part of what makes this difference. https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9217163/america-guns-europe

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@Trent0405

where i dont see it

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@PaulVerliane

You do realize that Con actually gave evidence that stated America is safe, so one side gave me evidence, one didn't, how could I side with you?

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@Trent0405

everyone knows they dont , its just so abud i felt no ned to adress it

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@PaulVerliane

He stated America had low crime rates, YOU NEVER REFUTED IT, even if it's obvious that America has a lot of crime, you failed to point that out during the debate.

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@Trent0405

well i assumes it to be self evident

low crime? must i veven respond to that? if he said the holocaust was a hoax must i respend to that or merely state that it is commonly so acepted it is a fact many nations will jail you for quationing it?

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@PaulVerliane

You never said any of this in the debate.

The US continues to be an outlier among high-income countries with respect to firearm deaths. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30817955

Violence is a serious public health issue in the U.S. This research compares the US and other high-income countries in terms of violent death. We used data from the World Health Organization for populous, high-income countries. Data from CDC's WISQARS and WONDER systems were used to assess mortality data among US white and non-white populations and in low-, medium-, and high-gun states in 2015. Death rates per 100,000 populations were calculated overall, by age, and by sex. Poisson and negative binomial regression were used to test for significance. The homicide rate in the US was 7.5 times higher than the homicide rate in the other high-income countries combined, which was largely attributable to a firearm homicide rate that was 24.9 times higher. The overall firearm death rate was 11.4 times higher in the US than in other high-income countries. In this dataset, 83.7% of all firearm deaths, 91.6% of women killed by guns, and 96.7% of all children aged 0-4 years killed by guns were from the US. Firearm homicide rates were 36 times higher in high-gun US states and 13.5 times higher in low-gun US states than the firearm homicide rate in other high-income countries combined. The firearm homicide rate among the US white population was 12 times higher than the firearm homicide rate in other high-income countries. The US firearm death rate increased between 2003 and 2015 and decreased in other high-income countries. The US continues to be an outlier among high-income countries with respect to firearm deaths.

Copyright © 2019 Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.

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@Trent0405

but it is so obvious hes wrong! its elf evident! self evident! Violent death rates in the US compared to those of the other high-income countries, 2015

Grinshteyn E1, Hemenway D2.
Author information
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Health Professions Department, School of Nursing and Health Professions, 2130 Fulton Street, San Francisco, CA 94177, United States of America. Electronic address: [email protected].
2
Department of Health Policy and Management, Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, 677 Huntington Avenue, Boston, MA 02115, United States of America. Electronic address: [email protected].
Abstract

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@PaulVerliane

Okay, Con stated America had loose gun laws and low Crime, if this is true you lose the debate given the resolution. You concede that America has loose gun laws and NEVER touch his point on America having low crime rates world wide.

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@Trent0405

The US gun laws are so lax that no other country really compares. In other words, when you compare from the subjective stance of the United States, every nation appears strict when it comes to gun law. " THIS IS MY POINT EXACTLY thank you for making my cas

The US gun laws are so lax that no other country really compares. In other words, when you compare from the subjective stance of the United States, every nation appears strict when it comes to gun law. " THIS IS MY POINT EXACTLY thank you for making my cas

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@PaulVerliane

if your just going to wright 2 or 3 sentences.You may want to lower the character limit when you initiate debates.

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@PaulVerliane

Are you actually going to respond to what the contender says?