Instigator / Pro
Points: 75

Debateart is lazy

Finished

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After 21 votes the winner is ...
RationalMadman
Debate details
Publication date
Last update
Category
Science
Time for argument
Two days
Voting system
Open voting
Voting period
Six months
Point system
Four points
Rating mode
Rated
Characters per argument
10,000
Required rating
1
Contender / Con
Points: 146
Description
If you tried to vote on debate.org it wouldn't let you and list the requirements, here it lets you vote anyway and then mods come and remove your votes because you didn't follow the guidelines, talk about a lazy downgrade much.
Round 1
Forfeited
Published:
Understand that if you type a single word here, you will only look worse when I decimate your argumetns.
Round 2
Published:
you mean *arguments*
Published:
Don't
Round 3
Published:
Pointless additional context. 
Published:
Put forth a single contructive argument.
Round 4
Published:
Likewise
Published:
Burden of proof is on you to prove that DART is lazy.
Round 5
Forfeited
Published:
Laziness is in the eye of the beholder.
Added:
To be lazy means capable of doing something, but not wanting to do it. Its not a subjective term.
#18
Added:
--> @Nevets
No I do not
#17
Added:
--> @Dr.Franklin
Don't worry Doc. Will give it a try, once i have recovered from my days wasted on that Saddam debate at Debate.org
You got voting privileges over there btw?
#16
Added:
--> @Nevets
Dont trust him, he lost this debate
#15
Added:
Thanks for letting me know about this. Not going to waste time in this case, wasting time on debates and voting if the voting sytstem is manipulated
#14
Added:
--> @fauxlaw
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>Reported Vote: fauxlaw // Mod action: [Removed]
>Points Awarded: Tied
>Reason for Decision:
This is the most absurd "debate" I've seen exercised here.
Arguments: the participants argued, but neither one made convincing debate arguments, pro or con.
Sources: what's a source?
S&G: lack of, yes.
Conduct: deplorable, both sides, by lack of debate as the term suggests a formal activity.
>Reason for Mod Action: While I am similarly incensed by the substance-less debacle that barely approximates what I would call a "debate," the Voting Policy located in the Code of Conduct and the Extended Voter policies suggest that any tie vote must "clearly explain why, based on what transpired in the debate, they chose not to award points." While many of these complaints are valid, there needs to be specific mention of what occurred during the debate. (Granted, there wasn't much that happened, but you could mention that no argument registers because both debaters used one word or one sentence posts that fail to function as arguments.) I implore the voter to vote again and to do a once over of the Voting Policy.
https://info.debateart.com/statements/code-of-conduct#voting-policy
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#13
Added:
--> @Lazarous
I guess I was wrong. I spoke to another mod. You can repost it.
#12
Added:
--> @Lazarous, @RationalMadman
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they need to be completed, but I was going to ask him anyway
#11
Added:
--> @Lazarous
Ask that question to Ragnar, you'll be asking who Blamonkey is about to ask. Just a streetsmart tip from a local Guru.
Contender
#10
Added:
--> @blamonkey
I do have two completed debates. Do I actually have to wait for voting to complete on my second debate to qualify?
#9
Added:
--> @Lazarous
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>Reported Vote: Lazorous // Mod action: [Removed]
>Points Awarded: 4 to Con
>Reason for Decision: "I would have liked to see even one decent argument from either side. I had little to vote on besides two forfeitures from Pro."
>Reason for Mod Action: The user is ineligible to vote per the Voting Guidelines. To vote, a user must have either 2 finished debates or 100 forum posts. The following URL will take you to the CoC and Voting Guidelines which I recommend skimming.
https://info.debateart.com/statements/code-of-conduct#voter-eligibility
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#8
Added:
--> @DebateArt.com
As much as i adore your excuses and passive aggressive insults, you are now well aware of this problem and should take action to sort it out, if you end up refusing to do this because it was addressed specifically here then you clearly dont care about these issues.
Instigator
#7
Added:
they dont let me vote
#6
Added:
--> @WhoPutYouOnThePlanet
Do you know how many other simple and not so much inconveniences have been resolved during all this time? But I guess you haven't taken those into consideration, you just found one issue to complain about and without properly bringing it to attention, decided to call people lazy.
I didn't mean that it was a fancy feature, what I was trying to point out is that we have lots of issues, small and big and they take time to resolve considering that it's a hobby project and we don't have a team of devs here. And before something is resolved, it has to be brought to attention first and quite often discussed with the community, which hasn't been done. And frankly, before you "call things as you see them", you gotta analyze the context, question your judgement and think carefully about what you are going to say, that will help you in life.
#5
Added:
--> @DebateArt.com
So you and possibly others had the time to make a entire website with a debate system, forums, and a leaderboard all with an insufficient budget, but couldn't manage something so simple that would save your new members from a major inconvenience.. how about i post this issue on the platform development forum in a slightly different context about hundred times, that way i will be able to actually vote according to your sites requiem correct?
I dont see how a simple redirect for new non-qualified accounts would exactly fall under "fancy features" which require an entire payed development team to implement, but thats just my opinion. If you have a problem with me calling you lazy, i cant help you, i call things as i see them, and the only issue you seem to have here is that your not happy that i posted this specifically here as if that somehow undermines the problem in the first place.
Instigator
#4
#21
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Full Forfeit
#20
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Conduce to Con because Pro forfeited.
#19
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
pro ff most of the debate
#18
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
This debate had potential and developed into a double paddy nothing burger.
The forfeiture was clear.
#17
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Convincing argument - Pro offered an allegation, but did not produce evidence. Con on the otherhand did not produce a terrific defence, but due to the lack of evidence provided by the Pro, it was not required
Sources - Both conducted the debate using conjecture only
spelling and grammar - As pro pointed out, Con misspelled "argument". Would not a be a big deal if it were not for the fact that the post lacked quantity.
Conduct - Both conducted the debate as informal as eachother. But at least Con did not forfeit any rounds
#16
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Arguments: Considering the premise, "Debate art is lazy," there are no arguments, pro or con, which discuss the relative activity of Debateart at all. No points awarded to either side.
Sources: Neither side presented any sourcing at all. No points awarded to either side.
S&G: Con misspelled "Argumetns" in round one, an error of commission. Pro forfeited round one and round five, making two S&G errors of omission. I judge to two types of errors as equal faults. No points awarded to either side.
Conduct: Both sides engaged in poor conduct, taunting one another rather than making arguments relative to the debate proposition. In order for points to be awarded to Con due to forfeit by pro, half or more arguments must have been forfeited, but only 2 of 5 rounds were forfeited by Pro. No points awarded to either side.
#15
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
The argument in the debate description doesn't count, so there was no real argument put forth by Pro. Two out of the five rounds were forfeited, one was a petty spelling correction, and the other two were likewise unrelated to the debate topic.
As Con stated, the Burden of Proof is on Pro as the Instigator. Any failure on the part of Pro to prove the argument is constituted as a loss of the argument.
Arguments to Con.
No sources were used by either side, Sources tied.
Spelling and grammar are tied as only a few small mistakes were made.
Conduct is different between the two. Neither were particularly uncivil. Pro wasted an entire round correcting an accidental typo that was unimportant. Con's response could be read as cold or rude, but the medium of text makes it unclear. Conduct is tied.
#14
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Pro ff two of the rounds and made no arguments whatsoever, that's poor conduct!
All other points tied, the debate led nowhere overall.
#13
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Pro forfeited two rounds, so he loses conduct. Also, he would have the burden of proof in this debate, and he failed to present any arguments. This is an easy win for Con.
#12
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Pro forfeited two of the rounds, and made no arguments whatsoever. Those two factors did not convince me that pro had a convincing argument.
#11
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
I would have liked to see even one decent argument from either side. I had little to vote on besides two forfeitures from Pro.
#10
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Pro forfeited two rounds and did not meet BOP.
#9
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Two forfeited from PRO.
#8
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Literally no arguments from PRO
Multiple forfeits.
CON accurately pointed our PRO did not meet their BOP.
#7
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
pro ff 2 rounds and didn't fulfill bop