Instigator / Pro
75
1466
rating
2
debates
0.0%
won
Topic
#1624

Debateart is lazy

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
21
63
Better sources
34
42
Better legibility
19
20
Better conduct
1
21

After 21 votes and with 71 points ahead, the winner is...

RationalMadman
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
5
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
Six months
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
146
1687
rating
551
debates
68.24%
won
Description

If you tried to vote on debate.org it wouldn't let you and list the requirements, here it lets you vote anyway and then mods come and remove your votes because you didn't follow the guidelines, talk about a lazy downgrade much.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Full Forfeit

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Conduce to Con because Pro forfeited.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

pro ff most of the debate

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

This debate had potential and developed into a double paddy nothing burger.

The forfeiture was clear.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Convincing argument - Pro offered an allegation, but did not produce evidence. Con on the otherhand did not produce a terrific defence, but due to the lack of evidence provided by the Pro, it was not required
Sources - Both conducted the debate using conjecture only
spelling and grammar - As pro pointed out, Con misspelled "argument". Would not a be a big deal if it were not for the fact that the post lacked quantity.
Conduct - Both conducted the debate as informal as eachother. But at least Con did not forfeit any rounds

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Arguments: Considering the premise, "Debate art is lazy," there are no arguments, pro or con, which discuss the relative activity of Debateart at all. No points awarded to either side.

Sources: Neither side presented any sourcing at all. No points awarded to either side.

S&G: Con misspelled "Argumetns" in round one, an error of commission. Pro forfeited round one and round five, making two S&G errors of omission. I judge to two types of errors as equal faults. No points awarded to either side.

Conduct: Both sides engaged in poor conduct, taunting one another rather than making arguments relative to the debate proposition. In order for points to be awarded to Con due to forfeit by pro, half or more arguments must have been forfeited, but only 2 of 5 rounds were forfeited by Pro. No points awarded to either side.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

The argument in the debate description doesn't count, so there was no real argument put forth by Pro. Two out of the five rounds were forfeited, one was a petty spelling correction, and the other two were likewise unrelated to the debate topic.
As Con stated, the Burden of Proof is on Pro as the Instigator. Any failure on the part of Pro to prove the argument is constituted as a loss of the argument.
Arguments to Con.
No sources were used by either side, Sources tied.
Spelling and grammar are tied as only a few small mistakes were made.
Conduct is different between the two. Neither were particularly uncivil. Pro wasted an entire round correcting an accidental typo that was unimportant. Con's response could be read as cold or rude, but the medium of text makes it unclear. Conduct is tied.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Pro ff two of the rounds and made no arguments whatsoever, that's poor conduct!

All other points tied, the debate led nowhere overall.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Pro forfeited two rounds, so he loses conduct. Also, he would have the burden of proof in this debate, and he failed to present any arguments. This is an easy win for Con.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Pro forfeited two of the rounds, and made no arguments whatsoever. Those two factors did not convince me that pro had a convincing argument.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

I would have liked to see even one decent argument from either side. I had little to vote on besides two forfeitures from Pro.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Pro forfeited two rounds and did not meet BOP.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Two forfeited from PRO.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Literally no arguments from PRO
Multiple forfeits.

CON accurately pointed our PRO did not meet their BOP.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

pro ff 2 rounds and didn't fulfill bop

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

no arguments made or refuted. So lazy its like watching sponges fight.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

PRO did not ever make an argument... CON died. Bad conduct in FF

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Argument: Pro didn't even try to present an argument

Conduct: Pro forfeited 2 rounds

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Con correctly points out that PRO has full BoP. Even after pointing this out, PRO refuses to present a single argument in favor of the resolution. As such, both arguments and conduct go to CON.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

No contest, as pro refused to engage in the debate even when it was pointed out the minimal BoP was on him to make even a single point.

Conduct for forfeitures.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

conduct- Pro forfeits 2 rounds. Con wins.

Arguments- Both sides lacked any arguments, it's gonna have to be a tie.