Instigator / Pro
12
1337
rating
26
debates
9.62%
won
Topic
#1639

life during war time is the most hard core song ever written

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
12
Better sources
8
8
Better legibility
4
4
Better conduct
0
4

After 4 votes and with 16 points ahead, the winner is...

MisterChris
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
28
1762
rating
45
debates
88.89%
won
Description

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XskIem_iFCE this aint no party this aint no disco this ain't no foolin around
if you like a song its a good song there is no such thing as an obejctively good or bad sound

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Pro presented the claim that one song was the most "hardcore" out of all of them. He follows this up by saying that taste in music is subjective, which undermines the entire claim. Con notes this by presenting a counter-example which at least one person (Con) finds to be more hardcore than the one Pro presented. This is perfectly valid, since both sides agree that musical tastes are subjective.

Conduct is for Pro's forfeit in the final round.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

PRO was pretty clear that his argument was entirely subjective, which makes resolution untestable, unprovable. PRO fails to define hardcore or even explain why his song met any standard by that name. CON defines and shows at least that PRO's idea of hardcore is pretty mild by many music conventions which grabs him the win. Conduct for single forfeit.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

I honestly prefer pro's offering, but under the definition we have for hardcore pro basically conceded. "An attack on my auditory nerves" that somehow "wasn't even noise" sounds way more extreme (amazingly both soundless and harming the eardrums!); plus it is reviewed as being "a toilet flushing in hell ... a demonic bowel movment."

Conduct for forfeiture.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Conduct to Con-Pr Forfeited R3.
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Pro provides practically no evidence to support the notion that life during war time is the most hard core song ever written. The only thing he offers is the length off the name, which doesn't seem to prove it's really hardcore. Pro even concedes that there are no right or wrong answers. Con then lists a song that better fits the definition of hardcore, Pro never touches this new song.

Pro never meets his BOP, he just gives some fun facts about the song in question. Con presents a song that is more hardcore if we go by the definition of hardcore that was presented by Con and never refuted by Pro.