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Topic
#168

[NO KRITIK] Hogwarts should have had six houses based on the four foubders and what they represented.

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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

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Better sources
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10
Better legibility
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Better conduct
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After 5 votes and with 10 points ahead, the winner is...

RationalMadman
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You must represent the four-house system.

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@TheGreatSeal

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>Reported Vote: TheGreatSeal // Mod action: Not Removed

>Points Awarded: 4 points to Con for arguments and conduct

>Reason for Decision: Neither pro or con went beyond the book much to find sources, but since this is a literary debate on Harry Potter, its perfectly understandable. Since Pro had one other source, Pro can make a really good argument for winning siurces, but its also the case that "most reliable sources" doesn't translate to the same quantity. Using New Criticism itself doesn't make a source unreliable, so I'll tie this one.
The forfeits really cursed Con to lose arguments. There is too much unrefuted by Pro, which really swings my vote here. Pro was also able to refute con unopposed. By volume, and frankly a lack of effort by Con, Pro wins arguments. The full forfeit also costs Con conduct.

>Reason for Mod Action: This debate is a full forfeit. FF debates are no moderated unless the voter voted for the conceding side. This did not occur, so this vote is not actionable.
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@Type1

Ron is borderline RP not "CP" I was thinking 'claw'

Will correct in r5.

Hufflepuff represents wilfully ignoring logic when it comes in line with what should be done.

COMES IN CONFLICT NOT COMES IN LINE, I WILL CORRECT THIS IN ROUND 2

Ron was good at certain things but he wasn't an intellectual in general. being really good at one thing like chess or math doesn't make you an intellectual. Hermione seems like a Ravenclaw on the surface but the houses represent more what is at your core and having certain traits from other houses doesn't make you that house if it's not the core of your being. Hermione is a true Gryffindor because doing the "right" thing is far more important to her than intellectual persuits at the end of the day. In a similar way I superficially appear to be a Slytherin a lot of the time because life has made me cold, spiteful and aggressive but at heart I just want to understand everything and the Slyhterin traits are something I feel I'm being pushed into.

Hermione being in Gryffindor is hilariously erroneous. Ron is a Gryffynclaw and more claw than Gryffindor. He was a chess savant.

There is absolutely nothing about Andy or Bronto that is Gryffindor-like. Gryffindors are honorable and brave, being brash irrational and arrogant as a gryffindor is possible but not a necessary trait. Do you think Hermione is brash or irrational? Bronto is a lying, greedy dick head who is willing to violently distort and/or dismiss facts to defend his idiotic ideologies. In the four house system he is a Slytherin and with six houses he would be slytherpuff because of his foolish and cuck-like loyalty to the country that stole his ancestors' land and the religion he has been indoctrinated with. Andy has no Gryffindor traits either, I think he is probably more of a Hufflepuff or with 6 houses a Slytherpuff. being a Cuck or a pussy is a Hufflepuff thing since they are loyal people, Any of the houses can be "teachers pet" types but whereas a Raven would be liked for their smarts, Gryffindor would be liked for their character and a Slytherin would be manipulating the teacher, a Hufflepuff is the most likely to be one out of blind obedience and passivity. I imagine Andy as being the type of kid who would kiss every authority figures ass and gasp at the mere thought of naughty words. A Gryffindor can be a goody-two-shoes but at least they have balls and can be defiant, Andy is a hufflecuck type of guy.

Andy and Bronto are definitely gryffindors.

Gryffindor is worse than hufflepuff.

A hufflepuff member, with its variants (which is the issue I will address here) is an honest, hard-working, humble individual.

A gryffindor is a brash, irrational, arrogant individual.

Gryffindor and Slytherin share arrogance, ravenclaw and hufflepuff share humility but the variants are exactly why the four-house system makes no sense. You can get a humble but brave person, they are just the minority is all. They would be a gryffinpuff/huffledor.

PS, I was contemplating what house various CD members would be in a few months back. Me, Nom and Mathfan would be Ravenclaws. You and most of the other members would be Slytherin. Only a few Hufflepuffs like Mint_Tea and pretty much no one there is a gryffindor type.

I took a cross-sorting quiz just now and I got Slytherclaw, same as you. I have been a Harry Potter fan since age 6 and I always considered myself a mostly ravenclaw type with some slytherin and gryffindor traits and pretty much no hufflepuff traits.