Lib Dems are the correct party to win the 2019 UK election vs Labour [OPPONENT AGREED EXPLICITLY]
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1) Comment the UK Party of this upcoming 2019 general election on 12th December you will back.
2) You can argue all kinds of feasibility and such but NO REFERENCE TO THEIR LIKELIHOOD TO WIN THE ELECTION IS ALLOWED this is about which party should win.
3) Don't think I will slip up.
The Labour leader ruled out support for a second referendum on the terms of Britain’s withdrawal, adding: “You have to respect the decision people made.”
The position stands in contrast to that of the challenger to his leadership, Owen Smith. The former shadow welfare secretary wants the British people to have another chance to back the case to either leave or remain in the European Union once the government’s proposals for the future terms of trade are laid out.
- the average wait for hospital inpatient care fell from just over 13 weeks to four weeks. [3] [4]
- 79,000 new nurses and 48,000 new doctors/GPs in the National Health Service (NHS) [4]
- 76% of English pupils were achieving 5 good GCSEs, compared with 45% under the Conservative Government preceding it [4] [5]
- Introduced National Minimum Wage [6]
- Passed the world's first-ever Climate Change Act [7] [8]
- Cut overall crime by 32%.[9] [10]
- Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission [13]
- Scrapped Section 28 (Anti-LGBTQ+ law) and introduced Civil Partnerships. [11] [14]
- Free TV licences for over-75s. [12]
- Free eye tests for over-60s. [15]
- Introduction of austerity, which caused a significant increase in child poverty, a decline in people's mental health conditions, a significant decline in LGBTQ+ support, an increase in violent crimes such as murder and robbery and even had a significant impact on life expectancy. [16] [17] [18] [19] [20]
- Introduced the bedroom tax, causing those affected "stress, anxiety, hunger, ill health and depression." as well as "embarrassment" and a "sense of isolation" [21] [22]
- Voted in favour of fracking, which comes at "significant environmental cost" [23]
- Re-implementing Sure Start in "every community" [24]
- Free School Meals for all primary school children [25]
- Provide an extra £1.6 billion a year to ensure new standards for mental health are enshrined in the NHS constitution [26]
- 150,000 additional Early Years staff [27]
- Move support for autistic people "inappropriate inpatient hospital settings" [27]
- Stop Brexit and invest the £50 billion Remain Bonus in public services and tackling inequality.
- Tackle the climate emergency by generating 80% of our electricity from renewables by 2030 and insulating all low-income homes by 2025.
- Give every child the best start in life by recruiting 20,000 more teachers as part of an extra £10 billion a year for schools.
- Build a fairer economy by providing free childcare from 9 months and giving every adult £10,000 to spend on skills & training throughout their lives.
- Transform our mental health services by treating mental health with the same urgency as physical health.
Over time the Conservatives have swayed more to the centre
When Brexit was going on (pre-vote) Lib Dems were the only party other than SNP to actively take on UKIP. You can go ahead and 'prove me wrong', but not even Green Party took head-to-head debates to UKIP on the matter.
Labour who always says they are the 'more left wing' party but it's a lie. Lib Dems are actually as centrist as Labour (not more centrist or less Left Wing) where they differ is that Labour goes for immediate solutions, while Lib Dems like long-term solutions.
Recently Labour has attacked Conservatives over lack of police funding and also said we need to better treat children who were abused as children for mental health stuff provided by NHS as well as remove them from their parents so they don't end up like that lunatic who stabbed everyone very, very recently.Lib Dems came up with that attack and stance 20 years ago. It wasn't until this election that Labour have ever had making all mental health facilities maximised in efficiency and provided 100% publicly.
Do you know the Lib Dems who broke off of Labour originally were the ones who were the most caring for the poor and vulnerable, not the 'centrists'?
Labour called that a waste of money or left it out of their manifesto for decades since the NHS's origin until this election.
Lib Dems are more practical than Labour, more willing to balance public services with privately-run provision
Labour blames this on 'crashes' and other stuff,
Lib Dems know how to 'mix it up', that doesn't make them less moral it makes them pragmatic about how to enact ethical policy.
50% forfeiture.
Hopefully they'll do a rematch to finish it.
Con forfeited half of the debate, that's poor conduct.
All other points tied, the debate is largely incomplete due to cons forfeits.
Con forfeited half of the debate, so win goes to Pro.
However, I feel like if Con hadn't fortified, Con would have won, so only one point to Pro.
I do give my full apologies to RationalMadman for abandoning this debate. I am the local Youth Officer for Yvette Cooper's constituency which is now one of the most marginal seats in the country and so was very busy over the election.
I already knew they will lose. Even Lib Dems knew they would lose. When you say 'lose' you do know SNP has a very similar manifesto to Lib Dems right? so really all SNP seats would be Lib dem and Scotland used to be extremely Lib Dem and Labour-heavy until 3 elections ago.
I'm not complaining, SNP and Labour coalition was indeed viable had Labour won more seats. Lib Dems would have happily given Labour the edge this election offering a 3-way coalition but still not enough seats to beat the Conservatives.
they lost