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1566
rating
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Topic
#1707

A UBI would be beneficial to said country

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
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After not so many votes...

It's a tie!
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
7,500
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
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1515
rating
7
debates
50.0%
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Description

https://www.debateart.com/debates/1681/a-ubi-would-be-beneficial-to-said-country

Since last debate both of us ended up forfeiting some rounds, we decided to do a redebate. Hopefully this will turn out better.

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@Swagnarok
@DynamicSquid

Sorry I did not get around to voting on this.

Having only skimmed things, I'll say that I am guessing con would have come ahead on arguments. While I don't think his Kritik of elder voters opposing it was valid (accidental Kritiks, are still Kritiks), when summarizing the cost of welfare he listed a couple different numbers, and pro went with the highest possible estimate which included scrapping the VA (as a veteran, I feel a bit like one of those aforementioned senior citizens on this)... Of course if UBI were implemented in such a way as to allow people to choose which set of benefits to receive, the costs of administering such things would not go away, so the cut costs would actually be greater reduced.

Maybe other points would have put pro ahead. I have not read the whole debate.

In general when doing value estimates, I do suggest aiming the calculations conservatively. Buying a lottery ticket for $5 you could win a million dollars, the math almost certainly says your expected return per ticket is around $2.5; worse you'll probably get nothing, merely if you play a few thousand times you'll average that $2.5 rate of return.

By the way, I suggest watching The Expanse. It does a good job in showing a few hypothetical systems like global UBI.

/The government better keep it's damned paws off my social security!/

Sorry, reading some of the debate and that paraphrased common idiotic quote came to mind.

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@DynamicSquid

Thanks!

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@Swagnarok

Good debate!