Instigator / Pro
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1616
rating
32
debates
62.5%
won
Topic
#1722

The Ontological Argument is Sound

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
9
0
Better sources
6
6
Better legibility
3
3
Better conduct
3
2

After 3 votes and with 10 points ahead, the winner is...

Dr.Franklin
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
30,000
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
11
1687
rating
555
debates
68.11%
won
Description

RESOLVED: The Ontological Argument is Sound

Definitions:

Ontological Argument:1. It is possible that a maximally great being exists.
2. If it is possible that a maximally great being exists, then a maximally great exists in some possible world.
3. If a maximally great exists in some possible world, then it exists in every possible world.
4. If a maximally great being exists in every possible world, then it exists in the actual world.
5. If a maximally great exists in the actual world, then a maximally great being exists.
6. Therefore, a maximally great being exists.

Maximally Great Being: Being that is Morally Perfect, all-knowing and all-powerful

Sound: Argument is valid and has true premises

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@Dr.Franklin

I don't even know what the Ontological Argument is. Besides, I've noticed that I'm getting worse at debates. I think I'm like an injured athlete; used to be good, but needs months of break time. Plus, my parents don't let me access DART too much, so I doubt I'll be able to respond easily. I tried debates recently before, and I had to forfeit because I have a hard time accessing DART.

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@Alec

would you like to have a debate on that?

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@Pinkfreud08

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>Reported Vote: Pinkfreud08 // Mod action: Removed
>Points Awarded: 0:1; 1 point to Pro.
>Reason for Decision: See Vote Tab.
>Reason for Mod Action:
In essence, this vote was just too vague and ignored just too many factors (i.e arguments, G&S, sourcing)... This can be avoided in the future by just commenting on the core contention (and the main counterpoint or the lack thereof), listing a single source you found important (if voting sources), saying what conduct violation distracted you (if voting conduct)... You need not write a thesis but some minimal level of detail is required to verify knowledge of what you're grading. In this case, if you wished to vote "tie" on all other categories then some level of presented reasoning is required, especially with the arguments category (which is the meat of the debate.)
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If God exists, he doesn't meet the 4 Os.

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@whiteflame

That's a lie and you know it.

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@whiteflame
@Patmos

thx for your vote!

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@David
@blamonkey
@Barney
@whiteflame
@oromagi

pls vote if you have the time.

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@Patmos

The necessity of the being is literally a lie, because step 3 is a lie and 'necessary is in direct violation of premise 2 saying 'some'.

@RM

Arent you Pagan, this fits your beliefs, wbut whatever I unblocked you for now

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@drafterman

Whatever that God thinks, it's moral and perfect

define: morally perfect

you wont let me accept because you are afraid. Unblock me!!!!!!!!!

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@Dr.Franklin

Also 30000 character limit ;)

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@Dr.Franklin

Make this two weeks and I'll do this

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@Dr.Franklin

Yes, I was thinking along the lines of Guanilo's original objection, and copies of it, which, I do not believe to be sound either. Looking forward to this one

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@Barney

a possible world is a world where a possible thing exists

Like a world where atheists make sense is possible, but not in this actual world(my opinion)

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@OntologicalSpider

Like the replace the object BS

Don't worry I already have a rebuttal for that objection

This ought to be an interesting debate. I'd be interested to see if the classical objections are brought up.

I would love to argue on the pro side as well. lol. Although I dont think I've studied this enough to debate on.

I'm personally not convinced that every possible world must actually exist.