The Iran/US Conflict Proves How Unpatriotic White Americans & Immgrants Truly Are
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With the growing tensions between Iran & The US, the draft became a hot topic. The data shows that white Americans were Not willing to fight for America if need be. This perfectly proves the hypocrisy, lies and cowardice of these people. Immigrants of America were also saying that they would leave The US & relocate back in their homelands if the draft was implemented.
These are the very people who stated that Colin Kaepernick was being unpatriotic for simply kneeling at a football game...Let's see who takes the challenge of trying to prove that white American & immigrants aren't the biggest hypocritical cowards in the US.....The ball is now in your court.
Wasn't it white Americans who were beating the drum that he was unpatriotic for kneeling?
you get chosen to serve but you refuse to go to war...is that considered "love for one's country?
it was white Americans who crashed the US Selective Service website in trying to get their names removed if a draft was implemented.
didn't President Trump dodge the draft on multiple occasions?
Ok, so when did the majority of Americans ever support a war?
OK, but didn't more than 53% of white Americans get Trump elected
OK, so was the Vietnam War unwarranted? What about the 2nd Gulf War in which No weapons of mass destructions were found?...Is that Warranted?
the rest of my opponents arguments are excuses for being unpatriotic. He says that I'm making assumptions but it wasn't black people who crashed the US Selective Service website in regards to dodging a potential draft.
His comparisons [are] ... nothing more than a false equivalency.
It's not like I'm the only person who's speaking on this particular issue. There have been news reports that specifically speaks on the unpatriotic behavior of white Americans, which can be found on every major new channel. In addition to that, YouTube vloggers of all races have dozens of videos speaking on the unpatriotic behavior of both white Americans & immigrants.
If your country initiates a draft to strengthen its military support and you refuse to fight for your own country, then that's the very definition of the word unpatriotic
Pro in their usual trollish way, never attempts to meet minimal BoP. Not once source, not one actual person claiming they would flee the draft (or them having actually gone running for the hills as pro claims). Not even any examples of someone calling any football players unpatriotic (one of their key contentions). This leaves the debate outcome a forgone conclusion.
Pro's inability to find any evidence to support their case, is contracted by con's sources, which are headlined by a respectable .edu one explaining what patriotism actually is; which is used in a smart Kritik of the topic.
PRO's whole argument amounts to racist invective- no sourcing, no justification, just a string of unwarranted overgeneralizations and stereotypes. PRO was entirely unconvincing from first to last. PRO characterized the draft as a current hot topic but from this fairly ardent news consumer's perspective, the topic of a renewed draft amounted to an occasional note during a single new cycle. Certainly, nobody's still worried about the draft this week.
CON argued:
C1: Deja Vu: opposition to unwarranted warmongering may be interpreted as concern for the country's well-being and therefore patriotic.
C2: Love/Hate Heartbreak: opposition to national leadership/policy-making does not imply a lack of concern or patriotic love.
PRO's R2 response is entirely unengaged and chock a block with misinformation. PRO fails to document key arguments like "white people crashed the Selective Service website." There's no evidence of syllogistic reasoning here- just white people and immigrants (collectively, about 86% of US population) are hypocrites and/or suck. One could argue that any nation is defined by its people and any argument the rejects the worthiness of 86% of that nation is by definition unpatriotic.
CON wisely extends arguments as unrefuted.
PRO finally makes one poorly reasoned but cohesive argument:
Any & every draft strengthens a nation.
Therefore, opposition to any and every draft weakens a nation.
Therefore, opposition to any draft is unpatriotic.
Unfortunately for PRO, CON argued in R1 that one can opposed leadership and national policy but still love your country, just as one can oppose a sister's drug habit but love your sister, etc. PRO was already well pre-futed and failed to read CON's argument closely enough to recognize (or perhaps is merely intransigent in thought).
ARGUMENTS to CON.
PRO desperately needs sources: sources to document the draft debate, sources that documented the website crash, evidence that only whites and immigrants oppose the draft, crashed the website, etc (I'm fairly confident that folks from every demographic oppose or support the draft to some degree). PRO's unwillingness to define terms made PRO's case entirely unsustainable.
Therefore, sources to CON.
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PRO's entire argument represents false and unkind generalizations vs. whites and immigrants. In light of PRO's racist rhetoric, the VOTER awards
CONDUCT to CON.
Pro asserted that white Americans are unpatriotic because they would refuse to go to war against Iran if they were drafted. He also claimed that whites were responsible for the Selective Service website crashing.
Con counters that the majority of Americans oppose a war with Iran, indicating that avoiding war could be patriotic. He also points out that Pro failed to explain why refusing to be drafted is unpatriotic. Instead, he argues that it is possible to disagree with a country's actions, such as a potential draft, and still meet the definition of patriotism.
Pro doesn't have any response to this. He just repeats the same arguments.
Pro clearly failed to meet his burden of proof, whereas Con provided clear reasons negating the resolution, so Con wins arguments.
i dont appreciate you insulting my kind
Man, that was a close one! How did you manage?
Because I read your debates and they are never substantive. I would not like to waste more time on you. If I was able to fit a debate in, I would like it to be worthwhile and thought-provoking, not responding to your incoherent rant about "white people bad".
My comments always seem to vanish for no reason.
I proposed a debate about this topic to go in-depth but you refuse to step in the ring because you're terrified to face me 1 on 1.
Why won't u simply create the debate an invite me to it?
The ball is in your court.
Why did you delete your last message?
Also, this has nothing to do with who is indigenous to a region. It has a lot to do with who makes up the majority of the population and determining relative uses of things.
There really is nothing left to debate. You are wrong and seem incapable of grasping that. I won't waste any more time on you.
Another false equivalency...Chinese people are indigenous to China...whites are indigenous to Europe.
You've already admitted that whites get the most welfare. There's nothing left to debate.
Cage match more like it lol
Woah your like a reverse white nationalist.
Couldn’t answer a simple question. Figures....
Raw numbers are meaningless for this comparison lol. It is like saying that more Chinese people commit crimes in China than white people do, so therefore Chinese people baaad.
Lol...Bless his heart... He's giving it all he's got & is failing miserably.
Holy shit you two, just get a room already.
You're doing the right thing by standing down & you've already admitted to whites getting the most welfare.
Don't step in the ring if you don't want to get knocked out...…….. Peace!
Lol, tell me, which group is more dependent on welfare? The group that is 40% dependent or 13%?
Go on, you can do it. Which group would have 40% of its members starving on the street and having no health insurance without the group you vilify?
I'lL wAiT.!.!.!.!
Lol. Stop Da Madness...Your very own lips just testified against you.
Whites are the biggest welfare case in history & history proves it.
If you feel so confident in who's given & taken, then why don't u simply create a debate about this topic.
Nahhhh, u don't have enough heart to step in the ring.
I still stand by that..... If one group uses something more than 3 times more often per capita than the other group, I would say that group is a bigger financial problem, unless they paid more into it. That is by far not the case.
One group is a net contributor, while the other is a net taker. That is my point....
I hope you're not dropping a mic to that lol.
If you can follow a coherent thought process and understand how foolish you sounded, then I look forward to your response. If not, I will gladly embarrass you again.
A few days ago U said, "I'm showing you who has a serious addiction to the public welfare system. 13.2% vs 41.6% please tell me which has the bigger issues."
Today u said, "Yes we pay more and receive more raw amounts of welfare because of a larger population."
mic drop.....
Who's trash talking. I'm simply stating facts.
You really gotta step up your trash talk game. You'll need better than "neener neener" to bother me. If my arguments are that god-awful, why didn't you ever respond to them? Surely it couldn't have been that difficult.
Yes we pay more and receive more raw amount because of a larger population. Glad we can agree.
I’m saying that per capita, we pay a lot and receive relatively little. Do we agree there as well?
Whites pay more taxes because your population is larger which is why whites receive the most welfare.
You're just digging a bigger hole for your lack of argument & lack of education.
Lol. U don't care because u can't come up with a solid argument.
Of course. It almost certainly wasn't the fact I made the comment at 3am and I just dont care enough about this debate to write a round that late. But cute attempt at trash talk, btw.
I mean, if you want to play the raw numbers game, I could show how white people pay most of the taxes for said welfare programs. If anyone, they would deserve to use them, even those they have the lowest usage rates. They pay more per capita and raw numbers.
Your Newport and malt liquor taxes don’t really add up....
Lol...Don't you have one more argument to make in our little debate? Guess you're trying to come up with a good enough response to make sense out of the nonsense that you've been speaking.
Oh honey, I have a lot of better things to do with my day than give a shit about Selective Service. But I will happily take that pot of gold off your hands, my credit card bill is coming up.
Black welfare recipients vs White welfare recipients
Black est. population 14% vs White est. population 60+%
No matter how hard you try to twist & reconfigure the numerical figures...It simply won't add up.
Class Dismissed
Maybe if I was still in 7th grade, maybe. It did get a solid giggle out of me, though.
Yeah, man. He just got a mic drop on you. No coming back from that one. Might as well leave the site and smash your computer to save your dignity.
Shit, if that's the case then how can I win? Might as well concede now lol.
Yeah, I forgot that everything that disagrees with him (almost everything) is just a load of lies pushed by white supremacist Illuminati goons. Oops.
The only authentic statistics are ones that agree with his ideology. Nice try
You caught me. I will find better statistics than the Census Bureau, Pew Research, and Statista can provide next time lol.
I simply take your trolling as a badge of honor because it lets me know that I'm definitely doing my job. lol
Try bringing some authentic statistics to the table next time...ok?
"And Nike deals."
A'ight. That one was good.
Thanks lol
That is kind of his shtick on this website. Don't mind him.
I don't care who you were talking about, I'm showing you who has a serious addiction to the public welfare system. 13.2% vs 41.6% please tell me which has the bigger issues
;)
Holy racial hatred Batman.
WTH are you talking about?
https://shakaama.blogspot.com/2009/12/there-are-more-white-people-on-welfare.html...In other words, being 14% of the population, there are more whites on welfare then there are black people in the US.
You're so butthurt for being a coward that you don't even realize that I was speaking about Asian & Hispanic immigrants who said that they would return back to their homeland...Get your facts straight buddie.
It's always about race because this is the system that you built and benefit from.
I agree lmao
"And Nike deals."
A'ight. That one was good.
They both have two opposing sides. Lots of kneeling, national anthems, and Nike deals. Basically the same thing
American football should not be compared to a fucking war
Yeah, that was my bad. I didn't supply that part of it.
Okay, I didn't take what percentage of whites were military age. Good point
This shows the share of servicemen by race.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/214869/share-of-active-duty-enlisted-women-and-men-in-the-us-military/
The maximum age of active duty military is 35 (at least for joining)
If you consider how many military-aged people are white, they are overrepresented.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/07/30/most-common-age-among-us-racial-ethnic-groups/
Your source would indicate a disproportionate number of service members are non white, even if the majority are considered white.
"You basically want the benefits of living here, but you refuse to put in any real work..."
At 41.6 percent, blacks were more likely to participate in government assistance programs in an average month.
o The black participation rate was followed by Hispanics at 36.4 percent, Asians or Pacific
Islanders at 17.8 percent, and non-Hispanic whites at 13.2 percent.
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-97.html
Oof, yeah, white people really expect benefits without putting in work.
Also, white people are the majority of military members.
https://www.cfr.org/article/demographics-us-military
Guess we have to fight and pay for all of the freedoms and free stuff you enjoy.
For once, I'll agree with you that it is disgraceful and unpatriotic that many Americans have responded by being sympathetic to terrorism. At the same time, I don't think this is really relating to race.