Instigator / Pro
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1443
rating
11
debates
22.73%
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Topic
#1752

America Isn't A Sexist/Misogynist Society

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
3
Better sources
0
2
Better legibility
1
1
Better conduct
0
1

After 1 vote and with 6 points ahead, the winner is...

oromagi
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
7
1922
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117
debates
97.44%
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Description

America Isn't A Sexist/Misogynist Society.
(I will waive the first round.)

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@oromagi

If you had no burden of proof, why did you provide a counterargument? Why did you provide a case which you then segmented into eight parts? As the contender, it is your contention that his position is either false or unsubstantiated. And even in your interpretation of the resolution, you never gave any context to how your citations informed sexism, discrimination, and/or misogyny.

If you were merely assuming the position of the skeptic, then you needed only to question his argument and its ability to substantiate his point, but instead you offered a case where not only did make assumptions contrary to his argument, "Nevertheless, inequality remains commonplace and examples are easily detected in American society," but you offered citations supposedly to inform these assumptions.

Had you demonstrated how these disparities informed a sexist, misogynistic, or discriminatory element in American society, you would've easily won this debate. Thus, I would take no issue voting in your favor. But since you didn't, and I should remind you that the standard I'm using is informed by your descriptions, it's difficult to vote for any other reason than conduct.

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@Athias

"It's a bit difficult to vote on this because neither of you met your burden of proof."

I deny that CON had any burden of proof.

I stated up front that," PRO as instigator and challenger of status quo bears the entire responsibility of proof." PRO must have been fine with that arrangement since there was no objection.

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@oromagi
@AKmath

It's a bit difficult to vote on this because neither of you met your burden of proof. While oromagi's argument was organized and quite pleasing aesthetically, oromagi never once related his citations to his descriptions of sexism and misogyny--and that's the whole point. Oromagi cited disparity for disparity's sake, but never explained how this was "unfairly" discriminatory or reflective of "hatred, contempt, or prejudice."

AKmath initially did a fairly decent job in pointing out that the mere disparities have "non-sexist" and "non-misogynistic" explanations, but he never really offered his own argument. Instead, he waived the first round in order to rebut oromagi and forfeited the fourth round. If I were to vote on this, oromagi would edge out because of conduct.

"According to US Dept. of Justice statistics, male perpetrators constituted 96% of federal prosecutions for domestic violence."
HOWEVER, the victims are domestic violence are also men., so this doesn't mean that just women are affected by domestic violence
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence

Setting aside the fact that The Guardian is reporting an advocacy group's interpretation of UK statistics rather than the actual stats, we should wonder why Dr. Franklin would refute a US Dept of Justice statistic regarding Americans with a UK stat regarding Brits.

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@oromagi

Sure I guess

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@DynamicSquid

I am a believer in over-defining debate terms since interpretation is everything and many debates come down who won the definition of terms. Once, an opponent claimed that "chimpanzees are smarter than humans" meant that if even one chimp was smarter than the dumbest human than the statement was sometimes true and so true. Recently Trent0405 claimed in a debate we did that "Massachusetts is greater than California" meant that it was better to be an average citizen of Massachusetts and size, population, economy, acheivements, influence, so forth merited less consideration.

To you I say, "why aren't you defining America?" What if I argued America isn't sexist and then defined America as the Emmy award winning actress America Ferrera? That's a much harder argument. I'm convinced that the debater who sets the terms first and best has a real advantage.

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@oromagi

Oh, and also, why did you define America? It's not like AKmath will start pulling up statistics from Zimbabwe or something...

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@oromagi

oof

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@Username
@Dr.Franklin

Dr.Franklin has asked me not to accept his debates but I guess he still feels free to toss rocks from a safe distance.

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@Dr.Franklin

Don't give the other side arguments during a debate

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@oromagi

"According to US Dept. of Justice statistics, male perpetrators constituted 96% of federal prosecutions for domestic violence."

HOWEVER, the victims are domestic violence are also men., so this doesn't mean that just women are affected by domestic violence

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence

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@AKmath

I'm not going to accept this but I'd strongly recommend that you don't insult your opponent in your debate this time.