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THBT: No credible evidence supports the existence of a Q clearance government employee with insider knowledge of Trump's secret campaign to thwart a worldwide cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles who rule the world and control most of international politics and media.
RELEVANCE: AP News and The New York Times both featured articles this week regarding the expanding presence of QAnon promoters and believers in US political campaigns, criminal cases, merchandising and at least one college class. In spite of recent FBI classification as domestic terrorism threatening to undermine the integrity of the 2020 Presidential Election, the White House and Fox News continue to winkingly promulgate QAnon claims.
QANON is "a far-right conspiracy theory detailing a supposed secret plot by an alleged "deep state" against U.S. President Donald Trump and his supporters."
PIZZZAGATE is a debunked conspiracy theory that went viral during the 2016 United States presidential election cycle.
BULLSHIT (also BULLCRAP) is "a common English expletive which may be shortened to the euphemism bull or the initialism B.S. It is mostly a slang term and a profanity which means "nonsense", especially as a rebuke in response to communication or actions viewed as deceptive, misleading, disingenuous, unfair or false. In philosophy and psychology of cognition the term "bullshit" is sometimes used to specifically refer to statements produced without particular concern of truth, to distinguish from a deliberate, manipulative lie intended to subvert the truth."
Burden of Proof is shared. However, CON will necessarily shoulder the greater burden: PRO will argue the consensus of journalism and law enforcement: that QAnon is not credible. CON must provide substantive, testable (not mere anecdotal or conjectural) evidence that Trump has been secretly, privately fighting devil-loving celebrity pedophiles over the past three years of his presidency.
PRO is requesting sincere and friendly engagement on this subject.
No trolls or kritiks, please.
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--> @crossed
>> "attacked people because they do not follow there ideology"
But I do not follow their ideology, so why would I seek to emulate them? Putting it into perspective, most Trump voters are not members of Antifa (I would bet on an extremely strong negative correlation), yet the vast majority of Trump supporters are also far less conservative than I (due to the aforementioned military service); therefore they are more liberal... So you're effectively saying Trump supporters "should follow the actions of antifa." Again, that makes zero sense.
>> "what is the absence of evidence stuff you were talking about."?
Let me give you a simple analogy: No evidence exists that I am Jennifer Lopez, therefore there is no reason to conclude that I am. The absence of evidence, implies the negative truth of the proposition.
Imagine you run a business, and some whack-job online says you murder babies on the 13th floor of your building. There is of course no evidence that you do, the building doesn't even have a 13th floor, but according to some anonymous jerk online it must be happening there anyway.
--> @crossed
"Or all the photo on Instagram that show kids tied up.One of the photo is a sign next to a baby saying do not touch this cost me 1200 dollars to buy.Source is in video."
There are 2 pictures- one shows a kid with 2 bands of masking tape on her wrist but obviously not restrained. The other is a baby in with a sign "German Baby $1200 Please do not touch" apparently photographed at a Christmas store (Which crossed reinterprets as 'this cost me 1200 dollars to buy'- apparently missing the joke). and the NY Times state that no pictures come from Comet Pizza's instagram as claimed- some pictures were pulled from the facebook postings of people who liked Comet Pizza. Some were taken from unrelated internet sites and doctored to look like Comet Pizza posts.
"Much of the purported evidence cited by the conspiracy theory's proponents had been taken from entirely different sources and made to appear as if it supported the conspiracy. Images of children of family and friends of the pizzeria's staff were taken from social media sites such as Instagram and claimed to be photos of victims."
--> @crossed
No evidence exists.
"THe pizza place right next door has a symbol that is literally listed in the FBI database as a pedophile symbol"
Classic conspiracy theory bullshit- Comet Pizza is full of pedophiles because a neighboring restaurant has a symbol. That's like saying Elijah Goldberg must be an anti-Semite because his neighbor has a swastika themed wind chime. How does a neighbor's logo implicate Comet Pizza?
ALSO- The symbol in question is a triangular spiral- an icon so ubiquitous that we can find examples in prehistoric caves, examples in hundreds of corporate logos. If we an agree that triangles and spirals are so commonplace that they can't possibly represent one group or idea than we should be able to agree that a triangular spiral should be acknowledged as nearly so commonplace and iconic that it can't possibly mean just one thing.
ALSO- The alleged FBI bulletin clearly states that the logo should be blue (for boy). Besta Pizza's triangular pizza slice is red and yellow - not blue.
ALSO- The alleged FBI bulletin is probably fake. The oldest instance of the document can find comes from WikiLeaks, although it is not a classified document and so should be available from the FBI online. The Innocent Images National Initiative was folded into the Violent Crimes Against Children International Task Force in 2004 so why would the FBI be publishing bulletins using old Department headings in 2007?
--> @Ragnar
It makes sense.Antifa has attacked people because they do not follow there ideology. Anyway what is the absence of evidence stuff you were talking about.Just because the mainstream media does not talk about the evidence does not mean evidence does not exist.
THe pizza place right next door has a symbol that is literally listed in the FBI database as a pedophile symbol
Or all the photo on Instagram that show kids tied up.One of the photo is a sign next to a baby saying do not touch this cost me 1200 dollars to buy.Source is in video
--> @crossed
That makes zero sense.
You would do better to say that since I believed too many Americans were dying in Iraq, I should have joined the army as a medic to do something about it.
--> @bmdrocks21
I'll never forget arguing with a Marine who believed in the Jane Fonda war criminal conspiracy theory.
His ultimate proof was literally the absence of evidence, which proved not only that it was true, but also that all major media (Fox News, etc.) is part of a liberal conspiracy theory to keep the truth hidden from us.
Don't get me wrong, I very much dislike her; but I can believe someone is a shitty person without believing they murdered anyone.
--> @Ragnar
You are a liberal you should follow the actions of antifa
"But Some of QAnon evidence was created to discredit anyone who looks into what really gong on"
The general concept of it i very much true.But it is mixed with lies to discredit it.
--> @crossed
If you believe in Pizzagate, you should probably follow the lead of Edgar Maddison Welch.
--> @Ragnar
That is exactly what I had in mind! Lmao, loved that show.
America is one of those supposed perfect utopia's you see in those movies.This Mad utopia can die for all i care
--> @oromagi
I do not believe trump is going to expose the pedo ring's.The pedo ring's are very real. My post was pizzagate.I do not follow QAnon.They are not the same thing.They talk about the same issue.Pedophile rings ran by celebrities.Just look at Hollywood Jeff Epstein pizzagate is as very real as those one's.But Some of QAnon evidence was created to discredit anyone who looks into what really gong on.There is a reason why i only commented about pizza
--> @bmdrocks21
I can't read that without thinking of a great scene from The Boondocks:
--> @crossed
Here is your same source, Devon Stacks, calling QAnon fake news years after publishing the video you submitted (and Alex Jones calling QAnon a liberal/CIA conspiracy). If you believed QAnon was true because of the first video, you should believe QAnon is false when the same source corrects the record.
--> @Ragnar
"The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence"
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