Instigator / Pro
Points: 0

Prison firefighters - Pro

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oromagi
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Science
Time for argument
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Contender / Con
Points: 35
Description
Prison labor is an acceptable practice.
Round 1
Forfeited
Published:
THBT: The State of Colorado should not employ prisoners for firefighting

Since PRO has forfeited 2 opportunities to set the terms of this debate, CON offers the following:

DEFS:

COLORADO  [COL] is "a state of the Western United States encompassing most of the southern Rocky Mountains as well as the northeastern portion of the Colorado Plateau and the western edge of the Great Plains"

EMPLOY  is "to hire (somebody for work or a job)"

PRISONER  is "a person incarcerated in a prison, while on trial or serving a sentence"

FIREFIGHTING is "the act of attempting to prevent the spread of and extinguish significant unwanted fires in buildings, vehicles, woodlands, etc"

BoP:


"When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo."

CON interprets the res to mean that PRO has the burden to prove that prisoners ought to be used as firefighters.

ARG#1: 

On Nov 6, 2018, voters in Col approved an amendment to Art II, Sec 26 of the Col Constitution to remove the "punishment for crime" exception to state prohibitions against slavery.  State employment of firefighters is unconstitutional.

ARG#2:
 
In Col, forest firefighter is an excellent paying short term job for which applicants shouldn't have to compete w/ prison labor.

ARG#3

Large scale wildfire fighting is anti-ecological and expensive.
Round 2
Forfeited
Published:
thx, gbroberg

THBT: The State of Colorado should not employ prisoners for firefighting

  • CON notes that PRO has not been online for 13 days. 
  • CON asks VOTERS to find for CON FULL FORFEIT
    • and thanks to all VOTERS for their kind consideration.

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--> @oromagi
You're very welcome, my friend
#4
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--> @RationalMadman, @Ragnar, @K_Michael, @Trent0405, @fauxlaw
Thanks to all for voting.
Contender
#3
Added:
--> @gbroberg
What if the prisoners were paid?
#2
Added:
--> @gbroberg
R1 sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/employ
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/prisoner
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefighting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_%28philosophy%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Amendment_A_%282018%29
https://study.com/articles/Forest_Firefighter_Salary_Info_Job_Duties_and_Requirements.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_ecology
https://psmag.com/environment/only-a-rethink-can-prevent-forest-fires
Contender
#1
#5
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
FF .
#4
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Full forfeiture by Pro - points to Con
#3
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Full forfeit
#2
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Forfeiture!
#1
Criterion Pro Tie Con Points
Better arguments 3 points
Better sources 2 points
Better spelling and grammar 1 point
Better conduct 1 point
Reason:
Full forfeit.