Instigator / Con
6
1596
rating
42
debates
63.1%
won
Topic
#1816

Death penalty solely for murder

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
9
Better sources
2
6
Better legibility
2
3
Better conduct
2
3

After 3 votes and with 15 points ahead, the winner is...

oromagi
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
3,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Pro
21
1922
rating
117
debates
97.44%
won
Description

No new arguments in the final round, but arguments in all others rounds are okay. The BoP is shared. I waive the first round, my opponent waives the last round.

I don't believe 6 times a year is correct. I only do it 2 times a year and it wipes me out when I do. It seems excessive.

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@Nevets

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>Reported Vote: Nevets // Mod action: [Removed]

>Points Awarded: 6 points to Con.

>Reason for Decision:
There is no argument to be had. Pro forfeited and got banned from debateart by his parents. That means even the Con could argue for just about anything and be considered to have the better argument

>Reason for Mod Action: To vote solely off the basis of forfeits, it must be a full forfeit (FF) debate where at least 50% of the rounds were forfeited by one side. Only one round was forfeited, so this vote is insufficient. There was no concession either, just a small blip about not being able to post. This violates the Voting Policy and is thus subject to removal. Sorry for the inconvenience, but feel free to case another vote.
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@Trent0405
@Nevets

Thanks for voting

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@Alec

PRO's R3 sources

https://www.redcrossblood.org/faq.html#eligibility
https://www.redcrossblood.org/donate-blood/manage-my-donations/rapidpass/what-you-must-know-before-blood-donation.html
https://bmcmedethics.biomedcentral.com/

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@oromagi

Sorry I ran out of space again.

TBH I think it's necessary in times of war to combat desertion and cowardice.

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@oromagi

I figured I'd do counterarguments in the 2nd round. I was out of space with my response, so that's why I didn't address those other points.

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@Alec

PRO's R2 sources:

https://www.redcrossblood.org/faq.html#eligibility
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_blood_scandal_in_the_United_Kingdom
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/donation
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/force
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingraham_v._Wright
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_v._McMillian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

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@oromagi

I have a good alternative punishment to the death penalty.

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@Alec

I neglected to link the line

"been used by nearly all societies since the beginning of civilizations"

to (of course) Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment#History

(PRO regrets the error)

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@oromagi

I now can't read the debate without thinking about DP the wrong way... Or maybe the right way...

I chose the initials CP in preference to DP because I didn't want to write any hysterical double entendres but now I note that I didn't double check that I changed all the DPs to CPs. Now I'm cracking up at:

"Shall DP be the only allowable USFG punishment for convicted murderers?"
(and shall we put in on pornhub?)
"CON's intent is more up/down on DP as punishment"
"DP enjoys majority support in US."
two-to-one, at least

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@Alec

PRO's R1 sources:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/solely
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/retain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/murder
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/06/11/us-support-for-death-penalty-ticks-up-2018/
https://news.gallup.com/poll/268514/americans-support-life-prison-death-penalty.aspx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Give_me_liberty,_or_give_me_death!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Hammurabi
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/329028740_The_Deterrent_Effect_of_Executions_A_Meta-Analysis_Thirty_Years_after_Ehrlich
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/04/30/2018-09062/annual-determination-of-average-cost-of-incarceration
https://www.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/fdpc2010.pdf

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@Alec
@oromagi

Ok! I'm looking forward!! @Orogami - go ahead and take it!

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@David
@oromagi

I'd prefer it if oromagi took this debate. I want to try and beat him. No one has so far.

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@David
@Alec

Alec-

If Virt doesn't take the D.A. position, I would be willing.

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@Alec

Too many interrupts in the debate conditions to make it an equitable debate. BoP shared? The Instigator has Burden of Proof, just as in a court of law as borne by the prosecutor. The Contender, also as the defense in a court of law, need only plant doubt in the Instigator's arguments, but need not prove a bloody thing.
Also, you imply that definitions must be shared, whereas, I've seen many debates with this proposition that fail only because neither side can agree on definitions. I believe the Instigator must provide definitions within the argument phase; best in the first round, or as I prefer, within the long description in proposing the debate. The Contender may argue the validity of the definitions, and that becomes, then, a construct of the opposing arguments, in which, again, the Instigator has burden of proof.
If you want to waive rounds, just lessen the number of rounds, otherwise, you have unnecessarily, but a little too conveniently favored the debate to your side. Bad form.

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@David

I tweaked the title to get rid of the word immediate.

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@K_Michael

It's part of my strategy. I like getting in the last word and I argue primarily with rebuttals.

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@Alec

Take our immediate and I’ll play devils advocate

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@Alec

Why waive the first and last rounds?

I doubt anyone will accept due to the word "immediate".

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@PoliceSheep

Practicality. Even though I'm against the death penalty, I don't sympathize with the murderer at all.

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@Alec

Are your arguments grounded in morality or practicallity?

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@Barney

Think anyone will accept or is everyone on this site against it?

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@Alec

Good topic.